The Debra Hunter Pitts Testimony
How the Nazi Network Operated in Butler County,
Missouri from World War II to the 1980s, and their Ties to the New
by Wes Penre, April 01, 2008
Introduction by Wes Penre
Debra Hunter Pitts
his is Part
3 of the
amazing and shocking testimony of Debra Hunter Pitts, who grew up in
Butler County, Missouri in the 50s and 60s - a major Satanic
part of the United States at that time, where human sacrifice
was happening every day. Debra, being a music prodigy, got
involved in the music business at an early age and came to know
Eric Clapton and Carlos Santana already as a girl
For a more
detailed presentation on Debra, go back to
Part 1 of this interview. Actually, If you have not done so already,
please start with reading Part 1 and
2 before digging into this one.
This way you can get the full understanding of what these
important interviews are all about.
we concentrated on the true story about the 1970
hit song "Layla", played by "Derek and the Dominos", where
Clapton was the front figure. The official story goes that it
was written by Clapton as a love song, but as we shall see,
the song was not written by Eric Clapton at all, but Debra wrote
it for Clapton on his request.
Moreover, it is not only a love song, but the lyrics also hides
a murder story.
presentation of Debra Hunter Pitts in Part 1, we learned that
she was closely connected to both Eric Clapton and Carlos
Santana, has kids with both, and that the three of them worked undercover
in a group called Militia One, to halt
an Illuminati coup (by Debra referred to [rightfully so] as the Nazis) against the United States. There were a lot of other
celebrities involved in the Resistance as well.
Debra was also interviewed
earlier by the researcher and radio host Greg
Szymanski on May 23, 2007. The interview can be
listened to and downloaded online
(if this audio file will disappear from that site, please
contact me, and I will email it to
In Part 3
here below we will discuss how the Nazi Network around her
operated and ties in with globalization. We will hear how the
St. Louis, Missouri branch of Masons put out a death warrant on
her at the same time the Nazi captured, tied up and were going
to hang Bob Jones...
I am proud
to let you take part of this exclusive interview I did with
Debra in March, 2008:
Illuminati News Presents:
The Wes Penre Interview with Debra Hunter Pitts,
Bluff, Butler County, Missouri, Debra's hometown
It is very informative to interview someone who has seen the New
World Order Agenda from the inside like you have. You said
earlier that the Nazis who kept Butler County, Missouri, in
their grip were not just a local group, but tied into the whole
National (and Global) Network that we know as the “Illuminati”. As a starter, can you tell us
something about how you found this out and how the local Nazis
glue into the bigger network, as you understand it?
With our news media refusing to put the truth out, including my
local media, we knew it was a national takeover, not just local.
We had no choice but to assume that all nations were affected
and also having many people abducted yearly. We now know that we
were correct and that the governments of the world are engaged
in white slave-human trafficking. It could not happen at this
magnitude unless law enforcement and governments are involved.
The highway patrol's job was to escort the missing persons over the
highway systems in our nation. A similar plan had to exist
Absolutely, it has to, and there is plenty of evidence of that!
I think it
would be interesting to hear about your experiences of how this
Nazi network was operating on the local level which was Butler
County, Missouri. By getting some insight into this, it could
possibly be a little easier for people to understand how it all
works on a global scale. What do you know about how this local
network was set up and how they managed to operate so freely
without people in the 'outside world' having a clue?
The local Nazi devils were like sociopath robots, to know one is
to know them all. They had a firm grip on the education system;
they had to control it in order to keep children who were their
experiments under watchful eyes.
The Child Protective Services
was a sham that was a disgrace to the entire human race. Their
role was to make sure that the children who were human
experiments never got removed from the home of their Nazi
There were certain terms and words they used that
allowed me to identify them when I didn't know their names. An
example of the voucher program would be used by the school
system and CPS [short for Child Protective Services,
editor's note]. It meant when we asked for help they would tell
us we were too young to be filing complaints; that we had to have
a voucher. That meant an adult that would say we were telling
the truth. It had to be that voucher; someone age twenty-one and
a respectable citizen to defend us and confirm that we were
abused. The voucher program was a total failure, no child ever
got removed from a Nazi household.
The CIA controlled bringing
cocaine and heroin into the county to be distributed by the
sheriff and police department.
We called squad cars Nazi mobiles
and their role was to transport kidnapped citizens to be used
and then disposed of, including the state troopers.
office and judges chambers were a mockery of the system that
didn't do anything except draw a paycheck for their titles.
Social Security Office was full of devils too, and there is no
such thing as confidentiality. There is nowhere to hide because it
is this department that can lead to any Nazi getting the info
they want on all of us.
The Employment Office's job was to make
sure the good jobs go to the Nazis and the victims got very
little help. The Nazis have a ring of master keys to every kind
of lock to tamper with vehicles and get into houses. They hire
each other and can be on the time clock and not have to be there
as they are busy keeping us under surveillance.
Satanism has been allowed to expand the globe by the lack of
society's knowledge and ability to stop them. The world is
manipulated into thinking that they exist only as small isolated
groups, but the smaller groups in small towns are in contact with
groups in the larger cities. The sadist tyrants all connect in a
tangled web of deceit throughout an underground network in all
Their main objective is to destroy sovereignty in all
countries and connect us under one government, allowing only one
religion. They are trampling down any persons who could cause
objection to their wrath. Their rule is by iron rod as they
tamper with history and say they are ushering in the end game
all the while, blaming Christians for that ushering.
bashed the sense out of all of us in every possible way
including destroying our education system. They are the secular
humanist treasonist swine that are keeping us in a tilt as they
climb their domestic terrorist pyramid. The outside world isn't
fully aware that many unsolved mysteries of crimes and missing
persons connect to Satanism. The majority of the population
of the earth are still in the dark or just beginning to see that
their governments are not what they claim they are.
Wes: This is very true and is confirming my own
research. They get away with it because they scratch each
others' backs. That's why it's called "The Brotherhood"; you
stand up for each other no matter how severe the crime. Only if
you're in disgrace with the Brotherhood you will be thrown to
the wolves or 'taken care of' in other ways. This is also how
politics in general works, especially on a higher level.
That's right Wes, and the local mass murderers referred to each
other as 'good ole boys'. They are Vatican assassins that spend
their entire life abducting, torturing, calling their victims
heretics and witches and then killing them at will. They will kill anyone
they are directed to kill, even one of their own. The Nazi Jack
pranced around saying he would kill anyone including his own
The Vatican is equal in wealth to the US but look at the
difference in land mass. On the other hand they own most of the
world by infestation and shear numbers. "Catholics by the
numbers" is the shifting of the populations to anywhere on earth
they want it, Globalization. They beckon to the world by
miracles that are not miracles and help that never reaches the
We who were their slaves were kept behind the 'Invisible Curtain',
in other words all of society pretended not to notice our
affliction. We were underground in the sense we were not allowed
to make our stories about our suffering public. We were the
disenfranchised citizens without basic human rights. We lived a
ghetto life style as we were not allowed the bare necessities in
life. We were not allowed rights to our own bodies or privacy
and had a hard time protecting our children from their
Wes: One of the most
(if not the most)
powerful secret society in the world is Freemasonry. Have
you had any direct experiences with them?
I don't know how many Freemasons I've met but we all know them;
we just don't know who around us is one of them. One Mason was a St. Louis
truck driver name John Chadwell, who married a woman
named Callie. She was Jacks [Debra's stepfather]sister and had first been
married to a pedophile but devout Catholic named Jim Bello.
Freemasonic grave in Poplar Bluff, Missouri
heard that the Nazis put a death warrant on you, even. What was
that all about?
All of us who were held hostage by the Nazis lived under a death
warrant including famous folks. We knew we had cameras and guns
on us at all times. When we angered the Nazis we risked not only
our own lives, but we also risked the lives of the people we loved. Heartbreaks or
emotional trauma was a huge part of the mental bashing they
dished out to us.
There was a few times that I know of that I was sold because I
was missing, and sheriff Clyde Hendrix wanted me found before I
did some talking. My price tag as far as I ever heard was
$1,000. I had run away and hid and a woman named Eva Taylor
turned me in. I don't know if she got the reward or not for my
"safe return." But in about a year I was sold again by
Pitts. She was old man Pierce and his wife's daughter, who
where the main guards over the mass grave site. They called
themselves devout Catholics and had two daughter in covenants.
They also had two adopted daughters, Kathy and Karen, that were my
age, and Nancy who described herself as a witch. When I met her
she was married to Tom Pitts, and his brother Bill was getting a
divorce at that same time, so I pretended to like the thug.
Shortly before Nancy sold me was when the St. Louis Masons got
wind of me and got serious about my death warrant. Nearly
everyone this side of hell wanted me dead mostly for two
reasons; I was a primary witness, and to stop me from forming a
militia, which was already formed.
Callie married John Chadwell, a Mason from St. Louis,
Missouri, he came to squirrel hunt in the woods where the mass
gravesite was. I knew he wanted to see in person the site and
Ken took him into the woods. Ken was brother to
Callie and Jack. It was shortly after that when
Callie brought me a fruit salad she had made and made me eat
it. As soon as I ate it I vomited on Callie and she
headed for her car and left. I never knew what was on the salad
but I was very ill for a few days. I always knew that the Masons
in St. Louis told John to get rid of me and it wasn't just a
family affair. Again I survived attempted murder by the grace of
These people never stop to amaze me! They are so loaded with
crimes that they all the time must be terrified of getting caught
or exposed. However, if they get caught, they will still stand a
chance to get away with it within the Masonic court of law, but
not always. What a miserable existence they live...
Debra: The reason that crime is so out of control all
ties in with the NWO [New World Order,
editor's note]turning us against each other and
mistrusting each other. The legal system is what created the
secular humanist pig attitude that forces us to exist in a
heartless and brainless society. We have wimpy laws that are
weak on crime and the revolving doors of the courts are on
instant replay. If our talking heads lawmakers made tough laws
then they would be in big trouble when they, their relatives, or
their friends were arrested.
Our citizens under the age of fifty
don't even know what Democracy is. They are conditioned to think
they have it because they didn't know the system before the
coup. The political apathy was created by the NWO which is the
other half of our government's split personality. They don't
want us to be free thinkers, they want us to be robots just like
hooked on drugs is another big reason for political disinterest;
our citizens have a one track mind to get a fix.
Wes: You also hinted when we closed Part 2 of this
interview that Bob Jones, the agent who worked with you,
was in real trouble once, and that they were about to hang him.
How did that turn out?
Debra: Yes, Bob Jones got caught. He yelled at me one day in 1971 from
near the mass grave site and I ran down the hill into the woods and
saw that two men had Bob tied up. I screamed at the men that he
was my secret boyfriend and that he was married. To make a long
story short I ran them off.
Bob's hands were tied behind his
back so tight that I had to bite the rope to try to loosen it.
He was a spook pro; once loosened he knew the tricks to get them
off. He quickly untied his ankles and ran into the woods with
the noose still hanging around his neck. I think he told me they
were from the almighty sheriff's office and I know the sheriff
sent snoops out there once in a while. I think they filed some
minor complaints on me like beating up two other detectives.
understand even better how your life within this sick and insane
community run by these people was, and from being more or less
in the middle of it all, can you tell us how a 'typical' day in
the life of Debra Hunter looked like when you were a child?
Bridge by Hwy 53 in Butler County, Missouri
A typical day in my life would be to get up and tip toe around
the house avoiding squeaky floor boards as I washed my face and
combed my hair. I never had clothes that fit properly, good
shoes to wear or a warm coat. I had to learn to sew and wash my
own clothes from the time I was eight because no one else would.
that was given to me was all I had and I ironed them and hung
them neatly in my closet. Many times my best clothes would
disappear from my dresser and closet.
I went to
school bruised and bloody all the way through school. After
school I helped making supper, washing dishes, cleaning the
stove off and sweeping the kitchen floor. Then I had to sit in
the living room close to the TV, because they watched every move
I made. Sometimes I would be made to sit on my bed for hours,
and I would read. I was not allowed a bible but had one anyway
and was not allowed to pray but did, and was often beat for
Jack owned a tavern called The Sands Club on
Highway 53 in the 60s and he burned it down and bought one
and named it The 53 Club on Highway 53. He left at
8:00 am and didn't get back to the house until after 1:00 or
2:00 am so it was a blessing not to have him around the house
although he often came in to eat supper with us. When he did I
would get beaten while he was there, as we victims had to be in
pain at all times as part of the human guinea pig
experimentation. While I was beat or tortured, Jack would
try to make me say there is no God; I refused. He would scream,
"Where is your God?" I would say, "He's here and He bears
For all those
years Jack or Helen left me laying on the floor in
my own blood; not even once did any of them bring me a washrag
for the blood or a drink of water. I lay there until I could
crawl and I had to get the blood washed up or I would get beaten
for the bloody mess I made. No one ever helped me off the floor;
I was left there every night throughout my entire school years.
When I was sixteen, Jack beat me up over a Nazi girl name
Pat Reed, whom he claimed was keeping him informed of me,
causing her trouble. I didn't know who she was until I asked
someone at school.
Every time I
got beat up if Jack mentioned Pat ,then I would go
to school and beat her up. I told her, "I'm about damn
tired of your name coming up when I get beat up, so when you get
tired of me beating you up, you tell Jack to quit saying
your name." I beat her up until when she got pregnant, but she
tried to trip me, so I grabbed her hair and smashed her head
into a wall.
said Pat was a good girl that would dress in a sexy
nightgown and seduce her father. I was given a choice of
dressing sexy for Jack or getting beat up and raped. I
replied, "No just beat me up and rape me, I'm used to it."
is sometimes pretty challenging to hear your testimony, because
it involves so much human suffering and pain. It is hard to
grasp for someone who has not experienced it him/herself. Very
heartbreaking... As a matter of fact, I lived together with a
survivor from MK-ULTRA (which is a government mind
control program) in 1999-2000, and we did research together. She
told me a very similar story from her own childhood. The way you
were treated seems to be quite a standard operation in Nazi Mind
knowing how the Illuminati/Nazis gain control by creating fear
and terror, it's not difficult to understand how this whole
criminal activity could be kept secret - people who knew did not
dare to speak up. There are also rewards involved if you keep
can be pretty sophisticated and works quite well for them, although the
truth is leaking out on occasion.
Please tell us a little bit
more about how things were covered up.
Obviously from mine and other peoples facts coming out it's
clear that people on the local, state and federal payroll were
not doing the job they were paid to do. Their paychecks was from
the Democratic part of our government, or legal money. They
controlled the governments money flow into the counties and
could use it any way they wanted as long as they could keep the
victims mouths shut.
What we called
the 'Conspiracy of Silence' meant that people around us also
were keeping their mouths shut and refusing to help any of us
get an investigation into our county. We called those people
sympathizers and considered them as guilty as the Nazis doing
the killing. The Nazis had told their relatives to keep quiet
about the coup and when it was over they would be filthy rich.
We call that "The Nazi Instant Millionaire Game" and it was a
promise that never materialized as they played and lost.
their children to never try to help one of us victims and never
try to get anyone into the county to investigate. In doing so
they gambled their children's life away as they dragged them in
on the conspiracy of silence and equally as guilty as the years
went by of mass murder cover-up.
And during all those years I listened to their relatives making
remarks about how rich they're going to be. They even made jokes
about how they made Jesse James look like a choir boy,
and other jokes. They knew while they were waiting to get rich,
people were being brought into the county from all over and
slaughtered, except for those they chose to use in the sex
industry. That was part of the black or illicit money as they
used the citizens' children's bodies as money makers. Black
money came from sex, drugs, weapons and everything perverted.
For many years
my mind would be pounding "survive" for hours at a time. We had
to stop those Nazi no matter what, so they can't victimize the
next generation, which is my children's generation.
It's easy to see that our tax dollars paid for our own
victimization by our own government. We paid them to slaughter
us with legal money, and with black money they bought and sold
until they took over the world - in broad daylight.
Any particular States that were more involved than other in this human
trafficking and the rest of those highly criminal activities, from what you know?
The States I knew that where involved when I was a school girl
was Missouri, Arkansas, Texas, Georgia,
Indiana, California, New York and
Washington D.C. It was later that I realized Nebraska,
Iowa, Kansas, Kentucky and Utah were
involved, some of those I recently recognized as 'Nazified'. In
fact, every county that touched Butler Co. was taken over by
Nazis, including Arkansas.
Street of Poplar Bluff, Butler County, Missouri
I knew only a
bit about outside of my own hometown Poplar Bluff, Butler County.
Missouri. There was Chillicothe, Livingston County, Missouri. which we
were always told was a juvenile camp for girls that would be
beat until they learned to do as they were told. I was terrified
at the mention of it.
Cooper County, Missouri was a boy camp where the boys were sent to be
beat until they learned to do as they were told. Gunther
Russbacher, the CIA operative, was from the St. Louis,
Missouri area. He was in 'Operation Clydesdale', which was a covert
operation to rescue missing children. He said about the same
thing that I do, that the pedophile rings are being eliminated.
I just discovered his info in the last few days at
whale.to [also, you can read about
it on the
Rumor Mill News website, editor's note].
By the time I was in Junior High I had known that the Bowlands
from Tarrant County, Texas where visiting the local Nazis in
my hometown. Also, I learned that some of them from
Washington County, Arkansas were visiting my hometown too.
That's why I had to go to those two counties to live for a
while. I go into more details about this in the interview
Greg Szymanski did with me. You can listen to it at
I believe my case fits in with several cases I've learned about
in the last year;
Jim Rothstein, a NY detective [please visit
as soon as possible after you have read this article. There is a
lot of very informative and important information there,
editor's note]. Those are the ones I've gotten familiar
with. I have only read one book and it was about a Canadian that
survived Satanism and it was, "Michelle
Remembers" by Michelle Smith in 1980.
Yes, some of us did contact Bridgestone Media Group in St.
Louis and hope witness will step forward to get the ball
Very good! The more channels we put this information on, the
am aware from my own research that these people pass on their
criminal thinking from generation to generation; meaning the
children within the cult learn how things are and 'should be'
from a Nazi point of view by their parents and others within
that system. Is this something you have noticed, too?
Yes, they are generational but also allow new recruits. All
Nazis are informants and they call themselves secret police.
From the time
they are children they are brainwashed by all the cultists
around them. They are deliberately confused to what reality is
and trained to help keep tabs on those who are their victims.
They are programmed to watch the victims and catch them off
guard to assault them. They yell and make a scene by accusing
them of things in hopes of swaying those around them into
thinking they are the bad guys.
reward them and brag about how smart, good, and cute they are
when they hurt other children and compare them as being stupid,
bad, and ugly etc. They also are used as sexual objects just
like missing children are. The Nazis split the personality
for two reason that I know of: first to cause mental illness and
make them easier to control, and then to destroy them mentally
as reliable witnesses to all the crimes and killing they are
Which brings me to this queer fact: what most people don't
realize is that the majority of those cult members don't
consider themselves being evil; this is the way they were
brought up and taught by their parents. In their
twisted way of thinking, they believe what they are doing is for
the greater good, and absolutely necessary for the future of
humanity. But please go on...
Debra: Well, no one is touching on the true meaning of a
Nazi but it would be more proper to define them as deliberately
physically brain damaged peoples. They are crazy and there's no
such thing as a normal minded Nazi. It is true that they drown,
suffocate, smash the soft spots of top of their head, and give
shots to their newborns to destroys brain cells as part of the
human guinea pig experimentations.
children are trained to cough in the victims faces at school any
time they are sick so they would catch their flues. They were
never punished for this, but the victims that complained were
harassed and called tattle tales by the teachers who themselves
were Nazis. When the investigation started in 1984 there was
three generations of Nazis involved in human sacrifice,
cannibalism and drinking human blood.
While I lived
at the mass grave location I wrote a journal every Saturday
night by candle light. Those went to Interpol who still has them
and most of those can be made public someday. But that brings us
to a major problem of the US and its role in multiple cover-ups.
They don't just admit that anything is true until many decades
have passed; then they continue to deny parts.
I need to make sure people understand that the mass gravesite
that Eric [Clapton] and I witnessed was a brand new site and the
only one that I saw in person. We were one of the headquarters
for Satanists; therefore the entire county had mass gravesites.
We won't know how many sites until this is out there and the
citizens force the media to help expose it, but the FBI and CIA
have all that information.
were constantly kidnapping people and that went on for three
full decades that I know of. I've always thought that my county
held the answer to tens of thousands of missing persons.
I grew up
haunted by the image of Eric and I dancing and the people around
us not being aware that we were the missing link to those
Mick Jagger, Rod Stewart and Tom Petty
were only three of the many rock stars that Debi was friends
You have briefly mentioned that you have a twin sister,
Barbara, but so far we haven't talked too much about her.
What was her role and what happened to her?
Yes, Barbara was my twin sister and we set it up to look
like she was killed and the house burned down with her in it in
San Francisco in Nov 1984. The Nazis were passing around photos
of her body to everybody in Butler county. It had to look like
she was dead in order for her to be undercover.
Once the government uses citizens for guinea pigs it has to be
kept covered up. I saw sixty children about 1986 in Butler
county that were rescued from the Nazis by the CIA and never
knew what happened to them, but I think they were never allowed
back to their parents.
The CIA and
FBI that we expected to help us turned out to be a bunch of
bastards that came in here and put a suicide psy-op on us all,
including we who were victims. The less truth that will be told
in court the better for the governments as they have to be
protected themselves from bad publicity even when it means
killing a primary witness like me.
Yes, and it's very hard to fight back when wherever you turn
there is infiltration. And you definitely could not at any time
get help from the police, obviously...
I don't know how many cops were Nazis but it was a heck of a lot
of them. They pretty well ran Butler county when I was growing
One time, when
I was a teenager talking to some people on the street, a squad
car came up and the thug that got out pistol-whipped me and I
fell to the ground. I got up and said, "Take that badge off and
throw it on the ground so I can spit on it because it offends me
that a man wearing a badge can pistol-whip me."
In 1984 when
the investigation of the cover-up began, the sheriff in Butler
county was named Link. Interpol already had evidence going
back to 1971 and then the FBI and CIA came in and watched Link
until they knew they had all his contacts.
The CIA psy-op includes giving the Nazis
chems and bios and before they die a dose of truth serum. I too
had a dose in 1985 in Osteopathic hospital in Ft Worth. They put
it in my IV tube and sent a psychiatrist in to question me.
There was a lot of cops in Ft. Worth that were Nazis as of 1984.
The one that was FBI that I knew by name was Mike Bond. I
don't know how many more FBI there were Nazi.
When I got to the area of Benton county Arkansas and into
Oklahoma a little bit I knew there was some cops that were Nazi.
In fact, the mind reader serial killer that I found there was a
cop with a split personality who killed forty people. I sent his
name and some info to NBC news in Oklahoma City in January.
Thank you, Debra. We both know that there are a lot of details
that can be told about what happened in Butler County, and
unfortunately this interview would be way too long if we
included everything. However, these series of interviews with
you have been very well received by my visitors.
How about if
we stop here for now, but because of popular demand we can
continue these discussions at a future date?
Yes, seems like a good idea to me, Wes.
Then I want to thank you from the bottom of my heart for coming
out with this extremely important information! You are very
brave and you have done a lot for your country; things you can
be proud of. I hope the information you've given here will
spread fast and make people wake up.
I hope so too. Thanks for having me, Wes.
Wes Penre is a
researcher, journalist, the owner of the domains
Zionist Watch and is the publisher of the
same. He has been researching Globalization and the New World
Order and exposed the big players behind the scenes for more
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