Maniacal World Control Thru The Jesuit Order Well-Hidden
Soldiers Of Satan
Rick Martin Interviews Eric Jon Phelps, July 01, 2001
Attached is an article which has
just been published in The SPECTRUM Newspaper, and which I
wrote. It is a second, updated interview with the controversial
author Eric Jon Phelps, who wrote the newly release book titled
VATICAN ASSASSINS: "Wounded In The House Of My Friends" --
available through Wisdom Books and Press 877-280-2866 ($34.95
plus shipping). The book also contains a gift CD-Rom with 13
rare books on the subject of Jesuit History). Feel free to post
this interview, if you wish.
All the best,
Rick Martin for The SPECTRUM
event or circumstance can be evaluated without the knowledge of the
Vatican’s part in it. And no significant world situation exists in
which the Vatican does not play an important explicit or implicit
role. — Avro Manhattan, “Protestant” Knight of Malta, English
Historian and Agitator, 1960, The Vatican And World Politics.
The Jesuits offer the world at large a system of
theology by which every law, Divine and human, may be broken with
impunity, and by which the very Bulls of Popes may be defied. It is
a ghastly religion; it is a religion to be abhorred by all honest
and honorable men. — M. F. Cusack, Converted Nun of Kenmare, 1896,
The Black Pope.
The Jesuits laugh at us; and during their hilarity,
the rattlesnake is coiled at our feet, climbing to strike us in the
heart. — Edwin A. Sherman, American Shriner Freemason, Friend of
Charles Chiniquy, 1883, The Engineer Corps Of Hell.
You could call Eric Jon Phelps a controversial
author. We know him as a consummate researcher, a beloved friend,
and a gentleman who lives his truth. Our readers will know him best
as my interviewee in our now infamous May 2000 issue of The
SPECTRUM—the issue that is known far and wide as the “Black Pope”
Eric is also the author of the blockbuster book
VATICAN ASSASSINS, an incredibly well researched historical
manuscript which shows the reader, in astonishing detail, where the
TRUE diabolical power and control of this planet resides—at least
that controlling layer which is in the physical dimension.
VATICAN ASSASSINS likewise acquaints the reader with
a number of priceless old documents and historical manuscripts that
“certain ones” have done their very best to remove from almost all
of the world’s library shelves. Most of these documents are so rare
that just getting these back into public access and circulation is a
great service to all students of history thirsty for The Truth.
There has been so much interest in what Eric has to
say that we decided to revisit a number of issues and ask him to
answer some dangling questions. After all, the kind of connections
which Eric makes are an entire level deeper than what we are used to
hearing in the “conspiracy theory” arena. Moreover, we have noted,
with some degree of surprise and “unveiling” over the past year or
so, just who all have come forward to attack Eric’s
work—groundlessly and hysterically (but never to his face). These
ones know who they are and have, by their unprofessional and
irrational actions, convincingly revealed just who they really work
for, while pretending to be presenters of Truth!
While it was my intent to focus the majority of the
conversation on the present day, there were some unresolved issues
from the past that likewise required clarification. On June 18,
2001, I had an opportunity to sit down with Eric Phelps,
face-to-face, and prevail upon him to answer a few key questions.
Let’s see what he has to say.
Martin: Our last interview—the “Black Pope”
issue of The SPECTRUM—went around the world a few times. It’s also
been on the Internet for quite some time. The manuscript of VATICAN
ASSASSINS has been distributed, but still no book. What’s happening
with the book? Why is it taking so long to come out in book form?
Phelps: The reason why it has taken a year to
finalize the book is because there were several historical mistakes
that were corrected by some of the readers of the manuscripts, the
first and second manuscripts.
There was a Japanese individual named Toichi [Ryu]
who corrected me on some of the Japanese history regarding the
Emperors and the Shogans, for which I thanked him and made the
There were a few other similar changes that I had to
make with regard to dates, places, and some times; just a
polishing-up of the manuscript, so that it’s ready now.
We had one individual who was a Jesuit for 10 years.
He got out of the Jesuit Order. He read the manuscript. He greatly
approved of it. And he sent us a list of corrections, which we
incorporated into the manuscript. So, there have been many people
who have added their polishing touches to it, for which I am
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The cost for this huge volume is only $34.95, which includes a gift
CD-ROM containing 13 rare books mostly “missing” from the world’s
Martin: I would like to concentrate this
conversation largely on the present day. But, before we get to the
present, I would ask you to, once and for all, clarify something for
our readers who may be still confused about The Protocols Of The
Learned Elders Of Zion.
There have been many sources and many reciting's of
The Protocols. They’ve been called a fraud. They’ve been called a
forgery, which means that there was a document that preceded it that
it had to be based on. Everyone seems to point to the Jews, or the
Khazars, as the authors of The Protocols, and yet your research
Who, in your opinion, authored The Protocols Of The
Learned Elders Of Zion?
Phelps: Cardinal Bea was the confessor of Pope
Pius XII (Hitler’s Pope), a very powerful Jesuit and Cardinal within
the Vatican. According to Alberto Rivera, when speaking with
Cardinal Bea, Cardinal Bea said to him that The Protocols were
written by Jews loyal to the Pope.
I do not believe Jews wrote The Protocols. I do not
believe Alberto Rivera was told the whole story, because he did not
have a “need to know”. Withholding information has always been
standard procedure for the Jesuits.
I believe men who were loyal to the Pope wrote The
Protocols, and the men who were loyal to the Pope who wrote The
Protocols were the Jesuits, according to Leo Lehmann—the ex-Irish
Catholic priest who became converted to Christ and set-up the
mission there in New York City, Converted Catholics For Christ. He
said that the Jesuits wrote The Protocols, and that this is no new
attempt of deception, based on their document that they wrote
concerning their attack on the Jansenists, which was called The
Secrets Of The Elders Of Bourg-Fontaine.
So, the Jesuits wrote The Protocols like they wrote
The Secrets Of The Elders Of Bourg-Fontaine, and the language of The
Protocols is identical to The Secret Meeting At Cheiri .
However, I have a quotation from a very brilliant and
Godly, born-again, Bible-believing, Irish Roman Catholic priest I
referred to a moment ago. He wrote a book entitled Behind The
Dictators, first written in 1942, and there were two editions after
that. I have the 1945 edition. Dr. Leo Lehmann says that the Jesuits
wrote The Protocols. But before I get into that, I would just like
to read to you who Dr. L. H. Lehmann was.
“He was born in Dublin, Ireland, and received his
primary education there from the nuns and Christian brothers. He
began his study for the priesthood at Mungret College, Limerick, and
at All Hallows College, Dublin. In 1918, he went to finish his
theological studies at the University of Propaganda Fide in Rome,
where he was ordained a priest in 1921. He later studied at New York
University from which he received the degree of M.A.
“After four years as a priest in Cape Town, South
Africa, Dr. Lehmann was recalled to Rome to continue negotiations at
the Vatican courts concerning a legal case in which he had been
engaged, while a student in Rome, on behalf of many American bishops
and priests against the Jesuits. He later returned to South Africa,
but was transferred to the United States in 1927 and appointed
pastor in Gainesville, the university city of Florida. Dr. Lehmann
is now director of Christ’s Mission in New York City and
Editor-In-Chief of The Converted Catholic magazine.”
So, here is a born-again, Bible-believing man who had
been an Irish priest, who had run-ins with the Jesuits, who knew
EXACTLY what they were all about. When you’re involved in litigation
within the Vatican, you know the law. And you know the history of
who you are opposing.
Here is what he had to say about the origin of The
Protocols. This is found in his book, Behind The Dictators, on page
“Although first published in Russia in 1903, The
Protocols Of [The Learned Elders Of] Zion had their origin in France
and date from the Dreyfus Affair, of which the Jesuits were the
chief instigators. They were planned also first to take effect in
France, by the overthrow of the ‘Judaic-Masonic’ government of the
French Republic. But the discovery of the gigantic fraud of Leo
Taxil, who had been openly supported by the Jesuits, the concluding
of the Franco-Russian alliance, along with the Vatican’s
difficulties with the French government at that time, made it more
opportune to have them appear first in Russia.
“These Protocols of supposedly Jewish leaders are not
the first documents of their kind fabricated by the Jesuits.
“For over a hundred years before these Protocols
appeared, the Jesuits had continued to make use of a similar fraud
called The Secrets Of The Elders Of Bourg-Fontaine against
Jansenism—an anti-Jesuit French Catholic movement among the secular
Phelps: I might also add that the Jansenists
were what we would call, really, Catholic Calvinists. They believed
in the sovereignty of God. They believed in justification by faith.
They believed in many Biblical doctrines, and therefore the Jesuits
hated them and later got the Pope to issue a Bull against them.
The Jesuits so hated the Jansenists, of which Blaise
Pascal was one, that they concocted this document, The Secrets Of
The Elders Of Bourg-Fontaine, against them.
Martin: What year was this?
Phelps: This was in the 1600s, I believe, in France.
It may have been the late 1600s, because Blaise Pascal wrote his
Provincial Letters in the later 1600s.
[Editor’s note: Eric brings to our attention a VERY
interesting person here, much like the great Nikola Tesla of a few
hundred years later. Blaise Pascal, 1623-62, was a great
mathematician, physicist, theologian, and man-of-letters, born in
Clermont-Ferrand, France. In 1647 he invented a calculating machine,
and later the barometer, the hydraulic press, and the syringe. Until
1654 he spent his time between mathematics (remember Pascal’s
triangle and other intriguing mathematical and geometric
discoveries?) and the social round in Paris, but a mystical
experience that year led him to join his sister, who was a member of
the Jansenist convent at Port-Royal, where he defended Jansenism
against the Jesuits in Lettres Provinciales, 1656-7.]
Now, I’ll go back to my reading:
“The analogy between the two forgeries is perfect—the
secret assemblage in the forest of Bourg-Fontaine; the plan of the
‘conspirators’ to destroy the Papacy and establish religious
tolerance among all nations; the alleged plot against Throne and
Altar, and the setting up of a world-government in opposition to the
Catholic Church. There is the same dramatization of the negative
pole of the historic evolution of the world, in order to bring out,
by contrast, the positive Christian [Catholic] pole, around which
all conservative forces—the monarchy, the aristocracy, the army, the
clergy—must gather to save the world from Satan’s onslaught.”
Phelps: Is this not identical to The
Protocols? Except in The Protocols, it’s Communism. Both documents
want a world government, under someone other than the Pope. So, it
betrays the Jesuit hand throughout, in The Protocols, based upon The
Secrets Of The Elders Of Bourge-Fontaine; and furthermore, after
this document, The Secrets Of the Elders of Bourge-Fontaine, the
next major document that we have is Leone’s The Jesuit
Conspiracy—The Secret Plan Of The Order, which was published in
In this document, Jesuit Leone was 19 years old and a
novitiate in Cheiri, Italy, where he, when he was snooping around in
a back room, became trapped when Jesuit General Roothaan and his
provincials came in another room and he listened to this
conversation between the General and his provincials—in the
mid-1830s, around 1834—and while he was hiding, he was taking notes.
They betray that the Jesuit General was intent upon
setting-up a World Government by controlling the Roman Catholic
hierarchy, the Pope, all the monarchies, and thus all the
governments of the world. And that is in Leone’s great work, The
Jesuit Conspiracy, published in 1848.
It was published in several languages. It went all
throughout Europe, which contributed to the people rising-up against
the power of the Jesuits in 1848, with the Second French Revolution.
But that revolution was controlled, the leadership of it was
controlled, and the end result was more power for the Jesuit Order
Martin: You mention that The Protocols were an
outgrowth of the Dreyfus Affair [1890s]. And prior to that we have
Council of Trent [twenty-five sessions of the Council of Trent
from 1545-1563]. Can you put this in perspective?
Phelps: Ok. The Jesuits were busy creating
Jewish hatred in Germany and in France in the late 1800s. There was
a man referred to in Ridpath’s Universal History Of the World—I only
found this here—he called his work “the solution to the Jewish
question”. Hitler came along, later, and had the FINAL solution to
the Jewish question. So, they were fomenting anti-Jewish hatred in
Germany, and they were fomenting anti-Jewish hatred in France.
Martin: Who are they?
Phelps: The Jesuits. The Jesuits were
fomenting this in both countries because, at this time, the Jesuits
had been expelled from Germany in 1872, and they had been expelled
from France in 1880. So now they’re going to go after the Jews
through their agents in these two countries.
In France, they started the Dreyfus Affair, and that
was in the 1890s. The Dreyfus Affair had several purposes. It was to
create anti-Semitism—anti-Jewish hatred in France.
I hate to use the word anti-Semitism. There are many
Semites other than Jews. And it was also calculated to create war
with Germany, because Captain Dreyfus was accused of treason in
handing secrets over to the German government. It was all a frame.
He was completely framed. He was sent to Devil’s
Island for 10 years, and suffered the horrible tortures of Devil’s
Island for that period of time. And then, later, when he was brought
back, he was vindicated and found “not guilty”, and the Jesuits were
blamed for having done this. So this became universally known in
France, which ultimately caused the Jesuits to be expelled, again,
The Dreyfus Affair is a major European conspiracy
with the Jesuit hand, against the Jews, attempting to foment a war
between France and Germany. Because, remember, the French hated the
Germans as a result of the trouncing that they got in the
Franco-Prussian War of 1870. And they wanted vengeance for that.
So, we play on the people’s vengeance, create this
issue between Germany and France, we use the Jews to do it so we can
get some anti-Jewish fervor going, which ultimately manifests itself
in 1942 with the Vichy government in France, when they help the
Nazis round-up all the Jews in France and send them to Auschwitz.
And it’s at that time, in 1942, in the Petain, that
the Jesuits were formally readmitted into France. That’s the
significance of the Dreyfus Affair.
Martin: And what is the significance of the
Council of Trent in relation to all of these?
Phelps: The Council of Trent puts
heretics—which us Bible-believers are, all Protestants and all
Jews—puts all of us under more than 100 curses because of what we
We believe in justification by faith.
“Accursed be all who believe in justification by
We believe that Baptism is simply an outward sign of
salvation, and that it is not necessary for salvation.
“Accursed be all those who believe that.”
We believe that, when we eat of the Lord’s supper,
the bread and the wine are NOT the literal body and blood of Christ,
as the Council of Trent teaches, therefore we are accursed because
we do not believe in transubstantiation.
And we also believe that man has a right to his own
judgment. He has a right to read the Bible and make his own
decisions as to what it means; that the Bible should be in the
language of the people, because this the foundation of freedom of
conscience, freedom of speech, and freedom of the press.
All of these things in the 4th session of the Council
of Trent are condemned, anybody who believes in: freedom of speech,
and freedom of conscience, and freedom of the press.
So, those maxims of the Council of Trent are brought
into The Protocols when The Protocols condemn freedom of conscience;
they condemn freedom of the press; they condemn national governments
and national sovereignty.
You see, Bible-believers, we believe in national
We do not believe in World Government.
We believe America should be governed by Americans.
We believe Japan should be governed by Japanese, etc.
We do not believe, we do not want, a European Union.
We do not want a combination of governments under
We believe in national sovereignties, which is the
reason why the South seceded and left the United States, because
they wanted to set-up their own national sovereignty; it was a
Protestant maxim upon which they acted.
Ok, so Trent effects The Protocols. Trent effects The
Secrets Of The Elders Of Bourge-Fontaine. Trent effects The Secret
Plan, written by Leone in 1848. And hence, now we have the doctrines
of Communism effecting Marx and his Communist Manifesto, because
Marx was tutored in the British Museum BY JESUITS.
Martin: Who was behind the Council of Trent,
The Secret Plan, etc. Who were the men behind these, historically?
Phelps: Well, Diego Laynez went on to be the
Jesuit General after Loyola; Laynez was the second Jesuit General.
He was the MASTER-MIND of the Council of Trent. Laynez was a Jesuit
by allegiance, and a Jew by race. This is very important. And it’s
the result of Laynez being a Jew, when this was brought to light in
1593, that the Order passed a statute that NO JEW COULD EVER BE IN
THE JESUIT ORDER AGAIN. This is VERY important. This is why
Weishaupt was not a Jew. It was against the constitutions of the
Order for a Jew to be in the Order.
Martin: And what relation does Weishaupt have
to all of this?
Phelps: Weishaupt was the promoter of the
Illuminati, with the House of Rothschild, for the punishment of the
Catholic monarchs of Europe, and the Pope, for suppressing the
So, Weishaupt did not act alone. Weishaupt was under
the supervision, at least initially, of Jesuit General Ricci, who
died in 1775 in Italy. Weishaupt was under orders.
Martin: Who is Jesuit General Roothaan?
Phelps: Jesuit General Roothaan was the
General of the Society from the 1830s to the mid-1850s. Jesuit
General Roothaan was the one who oversaw The Secret Plan At Chieri,
of which Leone overheard and then wrote about.
Martin: So this is KEY to what we are talking
Phelps: Extremely key.
Martin: And who is Peter Beckx?
Phelps: Peter Beckx was the Jesuit General in
the late 1800s and early 1900s. He was the one who gave the order
and oversaw the sinking of the Titanic.
Martin: Let’s talk about that now. Why have
you drawn the historical conclusion that the Jesuits sank the
Phelps: Because they benefited. And they were
present, on site, on the ship, prior to it’s sinking. When we have a
powerful organization that is working together, such as the Jesuit
Order, and the power that they had prior to their suppression, and
that they had never changed, and they are still working toward a
World Government under the Pope, we look for the Jesuit Order in
these national crises that arise—and in this issue, the Titanic.
We must ask the question: Even though we can’t place
where they are at the moment, did the Jesuit Order benefit from
this? And the answer is: Yes, they did.
They benefited because it paved the way for the
establishment of the Federal Reserve Bank, which they own and
control, by proxy, through the Knights of Malta, with their various
trusts and so on. They never own anything outright; they always own
it through a trusted third party.
How do we know that the Jesuits control the Federal
Reserve Bank? Because the Federal Reserve Bank was used to finance
the second “Thirty Years War”—from 1914 to 1945—in which everything
that transpired fell out for the benefit of the Vatican, everything.
Then, of course, when we discover that the most
powerful man in Ireland, the Jesuit Provincial Francis M. Browne,
was on the Titanic taking pictures of all those who would be going
down. And then, right before it departs Queenstown, Ireland, to set
out for the North Sea, “the lucky priest departed off the ship” in
the words of Martin Sheen, who narrated Secrets Of The Titanic.
It was more than luck; it was planned that way.
Martin Sheen has been to the Jesuit Novitiate at St. Jacques, in
Warnersville, Pennsylvania. Martin Sheen is a bosom buddy of the
The men who went down were wealthy Jews who were
resisting the establishment of a centralized bank in America,
particularly John Jacob Astor, who was a personal friend of Supreme
Court Justice Louis Brandeis. And Brandeis greatly resisted the
establishment of the central bank.
Martin: Astor, Guggenheim, and Straus were
three Jewish men who went down with the Titanic. Why do you focus so
much of your attention on Astor?
Phelps: Astor was the wealthiest Jew in the
world, some say the wealthiest man in the world. But he was, most
wealthiest Jew. He did not have more money than the
Pope. But he was the wealthiest man in the world and he was using
his wealth NOT in accord with the Jesuit Order.
Now, later, his son, John Jacob Astor IV, became part
of the money trust, which can be found on the Internet; and so the
Jesuits had access, now, to the Astor fortune. They control it now.
But, at that time, they got rid of Astor because they wanted his
fortune, and they wanted to end his resistance to the establishment
of a national bank. And they do this pursuant to The Secret
Instructions, that they will take the fortunes of widows and other
people who resist them.
And that is what they did in Eugene Sue’s The
Wandering Jew. That story revolves around a French Protestant
family, the Renneponts, and the Jesuits killing-off every member of
the Rennepont family, so that they can have the fortune when it
would be opened up at a certain day, at a certain time in Paris. And
the man who held the fortune in trust was a Jew. So, that’s why they
got rid of Astor.
Martin: What was that quote from the movie JFK
about the Titanic?
Phelps: I believe Oliver Stone was overseen by
the Jesuits, who control Hollywood. And, therefore, a lot of the
lines were authored by Jesuits.
One of the lines authored by the Jesuits was when
Garrison was sitting at the table and he said: “People, we’ve got to
start thinking differently. We’ve got to start thinking like the
CIA. White is black, and black is white.”
That is DIRECTLY from Ignatius Loyola’s Spiritual
Exercises. [Ignatius Loyola was the founder of the Jesuit Order in
1540.] When he tells the people that they believe the hierarchical
Catholic Church and believe white is black and black is white, if
the hierarchy says so. That’s right out of the Spiritual Exercises.
Well then, when one of the associates, Bill, of
Garrison’s staff, is approached by an FBI agent, and the FBI agent
is trying to win him over to their side, that FBI agent says:
“There’s going to be millions of people who are going to die.
Besides, you’ve got to get away from Garrison. He’s going down with
That is a clue, right there, that the same men who
were behind the Kennedy assassination, attempting to frustrate
Garrison’s investigation, were the same men who sunk the Titanic.
Martin: I’m looking at the front-page headline
from a little-known rag-sheet, and the current headline that I’m
reading says: “Khazarian Zionists Are The Anti-Christ.” Now, what
can you explain to our readers about who might be behind such a
headline, and what is the AGENDA of such a headline?
[Editor’s note: Some of you readers who may be
familiar with the publication should know that Rick is referring to
the June 13, 2001 issue of the CONTACT newspaper.]
Phelps: We know that the Jesuits, in their
agendas, hate the Jews.
And you add: “Eric, you say that the Jesuits set up
The Jesuits control the Masonic Jewish Zionists who
control Zionist Israel. They HATE the Jewish race. And when I speak
of Jews, I’m not speaking of Judaism. I’m not speaking of their evil
religion, that openly and notoriously rejects Jesus as the Messiah;
even Josephus realized Jesus was the Messiah.
I’m talking about the RACE. And when I’m speaking of
the Jewish race, I’m speaking of the descendants of Jacob, through
his 12 sons, and their physical descendants. That’s what I mean when
I speak of the Jews.
Many, many Orthodoxes today believe there is no such
thing as the Jewish race. They are in error about that, because in
Romans IX, X, & XI, it speaks specifically about the Jewish race,
that Christ was a Jew; that Christ spoke in John, Chapter IV, we
know whom we worship for salvation is of the Jews.
So, he identified himself as a Jew. The Apostle Paul
identified himself as a Hebrew of Hebrews, an Israelite, etc. So the
terms Jew, Israelite, and Hebrew are all synonymous terms; they are
the physical, racial descendants of Jacob. And, therefore, the
Abraham covenant and promises apply to them, and they have not been
fulfilled to this day. They are in the great diaspora—they are in
the great dispersion.
And so, Satan, not wanting them to inherit these
promises, has set-out to destroy the Jewish race any way he possibly
can. And his greatest tool in the destruction of the Jewish race is
the Jesuit Order.
Martin: Are you saying that this headline that
I just read to you has an agenda behind it?
Martin: And what is that agenda?
Phelps: The agenda is to create world-wide
anti-Jewish fury, in every nation of the world, so as to drive all
the Jews back to Israel for their final annihilation when the
Jesuits bring in the armies of the Earth and when the anti-Christ,
the risen Pope, brings in the armies of the Earth in his last, mad
attempt to destroy all of the Jews, so that they cannot inherent the
promises given to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.
Martin: If there is an intelligence community
behind this publication, it’s easy enough to draw the conclusion,
from what you’re saying, that the Jesuits, who control the
intelligence community, would be specifically behind this agenda to
foment hate and agitation against the Jewish race.
Phelps: Absolutely. Especially the American
Jews, because there are more American Jews, here in this country,
than there are in Israel. And one of their agendas in the next 10-20
years is to create anti-Jewish fury, and to drive the American Jews
back to Israel, killing millions of them, as well, here, because
they’re planning to bring their Roman Catholic Fascist dictator to
power—just like they did with Hitler in Germany; just like they did
with Stalin in Russia; just like they did with Franco in Spain; just
like they did with Mussolini in Italy. They have the same exact
agenda here. They’re going to do it through the Republican, “New
Right” party, of which George Bush is now the head.
Martin: At one point, you made a comment
privately concerning the Right-Wing militia movement possibly being
influenced with another agenda. Can you talk about that?
I’ll just say up-front that this is going to strike
at the heart of many people’s belief system. And some may have
difficulty with what you say.
Phelps: The Right-Wing militia groups—the
posse comitatus, etc., Ku Klux Klan, the Minutemen, they all have
one thing in common: they all hate the Jews. That puts up a flag for
me. And if they all hate the Jews, that tells me that they have been
imbibed, or indoctrinated, with hatred for the Jews. They all hate
the Jews; and as an aside, so do the Black Moslems [Muslims]. Louis
Farrakhan openly hands-out The Protocols Of The Learned Elders Of
Zion and blames all our problems, and all the Black man’s problems,
on the Jews.
So, the Right-Wing posse comitatus groups are all
controlled by the Jesuits because they are all anti-Jew, and they
have NOTHING TO SAY ABOUT THE JESUIT ORDER. NOTHING!
Martin: Wouldn’t you say that most of the
groups just don’t have a clue about the Jesuit Order?
Phelps: Not their leadership. A lot of these
groups have Catholics in them. There’s not a Catholic around who
doesn’t know the power of the Jesuit Order, in their educational
power, and the power of government.
We have Drinin in Congress; we have McLaughlin who
was writing speeches for Nixon for $35,000 a year. We have Jesuits
all throughout the government. There’s not any intelligent Roman
Catholic who’s involved in these Right-Wing Movements who doesn’t
know the power of the Jesuits.
THEY DON’T WANT TO TALK ABOUT THEM. JUST LIKE THE
PRESS WON’T TALK ABOUT THEM.
So, this Timothy McVeigh thing—is that what we’re
Martin: Well, no, but go ahead.
Phelps: This Timothy McVeigh thing—here’s
another Irish Roman Catholic sacrificed, just like Kennedy, for the
attempting to create a national backlash or agitation
against the Right-Wing Movement people, because a lot of the
Right-Wing Movement people are true patriots who want their liberty;
they want to maintain their guns; they want freedom to educate their
children as they wish; they’re decent people, but they are not aware
that the leadership is controlled by the Vatican.
So, the Jesuits in control of Clinton fomented the
Oklahoma City bombing to justify going after these Right-Wing,
conservative, many of them Bible-believing, people in this movement,
for their round-up and extermination. But it didn’t quite work.
So, they imploded the building. They got rid of
Timothy McVeigh. That whole execution could have been stayed with
one phone call from the Archbishop of New York to the Bishop of
Oklahoma City, and he wouldn’t do it.
That was the purpose of the Oklahoma City bombing,
the creation of anti-Right-Wing feeling. And the people at the top,
controlling the Right-Wing organizations, will betray their own
people, just exactly as the White Russians were betrayed during the
Communist Revolution from 1917-1922.
Their own leadership will betray them—just as Hitler
betrayed his armies to the East, cut-off supplies, would not allow
them to take Moscow, froze them in the snows of Russia; just as
Napoleon betrayed his armies in the East, abandoned 250,000 men;
that’s exactly what’s going to be done to our Right-Wing patriotic
people who are the only bulwark against tyranny in this country
Martin: We’re almost to the present day. But,
before we get to the present day, let’s stop for a minute, once
again, and talk about JFK’s assassination. I’m going to mention a
few names, and then let’s talk about the Jesuit influence behind
that assassination and the reasons why.
John McCone, head of the CIA; Cardinal Spellman,
Archbishop of New York; Henry Luce; Carthe DeLouche; and E. Howard
Hunt. Why are these names important? What are their relationships?
And WHY would you point the finger at someone like the Archbishop of
New York, Cardinal Spellman, of all people, to place the
responsibility for the JFK assassination directly at the Vatican?
How can you justify that?
Phelps: We know we’re looking at a conspiracy,
so we ask the question, again: Who benefits? Who benefited from the
death of JFK? Well, we know, according to the works of the great
Fletcher Prouty, JFK was going to end the Vietnam War in 1965. We
also know that JFK was going to end the reign of the CIA, and all of
their military, covert operations were going to be handed-over to
the Army Chiefs of Staff. Therefore, the CIA benefited, and those
who wanted the Vietnam War benefited.
We now must ask the question: Who wanted the Vietnam
War? Well, we know that many factions did, but we see, openly and in
our face, Cardinal Spellman wanted the Vietnam War. Cardinal
Spellman’s man in Vietnam was Diem. Diem was a fascist Roman
Catholic, persecuting the Buddhists. And his brother was head of the
Secret Police. So, Diem was Cardinal Spellman’s man in Vietnam. Diem
was assassinated because Kennedy withdrew the CIA representative out
The other thing is, Cardinal Spellman, throughout the
Vietnam War, would travel over there at the war-front and he’d call
the soldiers the “soldiers of Christ”, according to Avro Manhattan,
in his great work Vietnam: Why Did We Go? So, Cardinal Spellman
wanted the Vietnam War, and if Cardinal Spellman wanted the Vietnam
War, the Pope wanted the Vietnam War, and if the Pope wanted the
Vietnam War, the Black Pope wanted the Vietnam War, the Jesuit
Martin: Who was?
Phelps: Jean Baptiste Janssens. He died in
1964. From 1964 to 1983 or so, it was Pedro Arrupe.
Martin: So you’re saying that Janssens had an
Phelps: Jean Baptist Janssens had an agenda,
and that agenda was to annihilate as many Buddhists as possible,
because the Buddhists have always been the enemies of the Jesuits.
When the Jesuits took Japan in 1873, what did they do? They
outlawed, they made it so that the government of Japan would not
support the Buddhist religion anymore. Buddhism has ceased to be the
state religion. So they’ve always been the enemy of the Buddhists.
The other thing about the Vietnam War is that it
created a $220 billion dollar debt for the American people, and that
debt was incurred by the Congress, who borrowed that money from the
Jesuits’ Federal Reserve Bank.
So the Jesuits made big money. They killed lots of
“heretics”. They preserved the CIA.
Because, remember: the CIA was initially founded and
set-up by one particular man, Reinhard Gehlen, who was a Nazi
General, who was Hitler’s most sinister General. And so, he
incorporated all of the Nazi intelligence apparatus into the CIA in
the West. It was also incorporated into the KGB in the East. They
were called “Freedom Fighters”; they were really working for the
KGB, these SS, Nazi men. If the Jesuit General controlled the KGB,
he controls the CIA.
Kennedy was getting in the way. Kennedy also did not
want the voucher system for public schools, of which George Bush is
a great promoter. The Vatican wants the American taxpayer to pay for
Catholic schools because, remember, Roman Catholicism, left to
itself, without government support, crumbles. It has nothing to
offer. There is no freedom of speech, no freedom of press.
THE CATHOLIC PEOPLE DON’T OWN ONE SQUARE FOOT OF
CHURCH PROPERTY. THEY DON’T OWN ONE BRICK OF THEIR CHURCHES. IT’S
ALL OWNED BY THE HIERARCHY.
They are simply to obey their hierarchy, and in
America that’s not good enough. Catholic people don’t want that in
America. Catholic people, for the most part, enjoy freedom of press,
and freedom of speech, and freedom to make a profit; all of those
things the Vatican does not want. A case in point is all of South
America and Central America.
Martin: Well, why do you think—other than the
fact that there have been 100-200 people killed who knew anything
about the JFK assassination—why do you think it’s never come out?
Phelps: Because the American branch of the
Knights of Malta, of which McCone was a member, Henry Luce was a
member, William F. Buckley was a member, Lee Iacocca was a member,
Cartha DeLoach of the FBI was a member, etc. They control the press!
And they controlled CBS, at that time, with a man named Frank
Shakespeare, who was a Knight of Malta. The Knights control ABC,
CBS, and NBC, and Time/Life; that’s why Time/Life attempted to
destroy the Zapruder film.
I might also add, throughout the publication of “The
Black Pope” interview we did back in May 2000, and my first two
manuscripts since that time, there has not been one Roman Catholic
who has emailed me, or attempted to contact me in any way, denying
that Cardinal Spellman did this; not one. But we have several
clandestine Jesuits who are in complete agreement, and who admit
that this is exactly what was done.
Martin: Let me ask you about Opus Dei. We’ve
been accused of hiding Opus Dei in the background as being the real
power behind the Vatican, and therefore, the power over the Jesuits.
Have we conspired to withhold the mention of Opus Dei in our
Phelps: No. Opus Dei is a subordinate
organization to the Pope, who is in control of the Knights of Malta,
and therefore there are Knights of Malta in Opus Dei.
The Jesuits control Opus Dei through the hierarchy of
the Pope and through the Knights of Malta. Opus Dei is composed of
prominent Roman Catholic businessmen and politicians who have given
themselves over to “God’s work”—that’s what Opus Dei means—for
making the Pope the Universal Monarch of the world, ruling the world
from Solomon’s rebuilt temple in Jerusalem.
An example of this is the former head of the FBI,
Louis Freeh, was a member of Opus Dei.
And so, we now understand the Waco incident, where
those White Protestants were killed; it was the work of the Opus
Dei. And we also have to remember that the sharpshooter, one of them
there, was a Japanese Roman Catholic, Lon Horiuchi.
But Opus Dei is determined to create a World
Government under the Pope. Opus Dei was created in the 20th Century,
whereas the Knights of Malta were created in the 11th Century, and
the Jesuits were created in the 16th Century, in 1540, with Ignatius
So, the super-secret society of the Jesuit Order, in
control of the Knights of Malta, were in existence nearly 500 years
before Opus Dei. Opus Dei, like the Knights of Columbus, is a
subordinate organization to the Jesuit Order.
Martin: Ok, now that we have some of these
things put temporarily to rest—until the book comes out!—let’s talk
about the present day.
There are a few things happening that everyone needs
to be aware of and concerned about. I’ll just mention a few
countries, and then we can begin: Israel, Cuba, China, North Africa,
and Japan. What’s happening with our relationship with these
countries? How are we going to be sucked-in to a conflict? And what
are the ramifications going to be? Lines in the sand are being
drawn, alliances are being created between powerful nations, and why
should we be concerned about that?
That’s a big question.
Phelps: That’s a big question. I’ll try to
deal with a piece at a time, if I may.
I’m going to start with the 14th Amendment American
Empire that was established in 1868 after the Jesuit Order destroyed
the Federal Republic or the Confederate Republic of sovereign nation
states that Washington established in 1789.
The Jesuits have used the 14th Amendment American
Empire to restore the temporal power of the Pope over all nations
around the world for the last 100 years. And that’s why they have
garrisoned American troops throughout the world. That’s why they
have laid upon us an iniquitous and sinful federal income tax, with
which they finance these crusades around the world.
So, their American Empire has served them well in the
restoration of the temporal power of the Pope around the world,
especially over Orthodox Russia, Buddhist China, Buddhist Japan,
South and Central America through the CIA; this is the purpose for
the British and America Empires. They used the British Empire in the
19th Century to do this, and they used the American Empire in the
20th Century to do this. So they take the most powerful Protestant
empires, and the wealthiest, harness their governments, and use such
for their own purposes.
Alright, now that America has been used for its
purpose, it is time to destroy it. And we must remember that America
is the haven for the Jews of the world, which the Jesuits have
accursed; it is the haven for Bible-believing Protestants, called
“heretics”, who the Jesuits have accursed; and it is the haven for
peoples of many, many different races who simply want to have some
liberty in life, which are called “liberals”, which the Jesuits have
The United States is a refugee nation, made up of
many, many nationalities now. We are no longer a White, Anglo-Saxon,
Protestant nation, as we were. We are composed of a host of
different nationalities, with a host of religious beliefs, and thus
this nation has been fragmented and agitated and is a disconcerted
mess, with no real national purpose anymore.
The Jesuits have fired-up the Negro agitation of the
Civil Rights Movement. They continue to fire that up with Hollywood,
with such movies as Roots, etc.
They don’t tell the whole story of Malcolm X. He was
an agitator to begin with. When he came back from Mecca, he changed
his story and denounced the Nation of Islam, along with the Ku Klux
Klan, stating that “they both had the same paymasters”. And he was
absolutely right. They have agitated and broken apart this country,
so we have no more national purpose.
The next thing that they’ve done, they’ve disarmed
us. They’ve closed-down over 100 military bases. We have no domestic
defense. The foreigners, the Mexicans come across the borders by the
thousands, and the major corporations hire them, and they do their
work for them, which is all illegal. It should be punished by law.
But we have no punishment by law in this country anymore.
So we have the reign of crime. We have all of these
illegal immigrants. We have the destruction of the White race. When
this nation ceases to be White, it will cease to be great, because
there is not a nation in the world that’s a nation of color that can
compete on the international scale of business and trade and
commerce; they can’t do it.
A nation that was once White, but is now a nation of
color, is Cuba. Cuba used to be a prosperous, beautiful place, but
now, with all the amalgamation and inter-racial marriage, it’s 95%
Black; it’s under a Roman Catholic, Jesuit-trained Dictator named
Fidel Castro; and it is a miserable place to live. And that is
EXACTLY what this country is going to be like if it continues on the
track it is now on.
The Jesuits have determined to destroy this American
Empire that they have used for the last 100 years. So what they are
doing now is, they are going to break apart the Empire.
And how are they doing this? Well, one of the things
they’ve done is they’ve created this issue where an American
submarine hit this Japanese fishing boat, killing all the Japanese
on the boat, I believe, and the skipper was court-martialed. But
nonetheless, it was a deliberate act of murder, because with that
kind of technology on a submarine, you just don’t hit a boat. And
you just don’t have some civilian driving the submarine either.
That’s ridiculous. So they are creating agitations with nations like
Japan, with this incident.
They’re creating deliberate agitation with nations
like China, with the bombing of the Chinese Embassy in Belgrade.
They’re creating agitations with China, Japan, which will ultimately
result in Japan and China uniting. With the military power of China,
with the economic power of Japan—when already Hong Kong has been
given to China, which now, because of that financial
might, China is
able to take control of the Panama Canal; they control the canal
locks through Hutchen Wimpoa, a Chinese corporation. They are now
building the largest shipping dock in the world in the Bahamas,
owned by the Red Chinese. The Red Chinese now have the Long Beach
Naval Station, which is now Cosco.
So they are in a position now to be able to establish
a beach-head when they invade.
The thing is: Does China have the fleet to do it? No,
China doesn’t have the fleet right now to do it, but Russia does.
Russia has the largest merchant marine fleet in the world. And we
are very much deceived into thinking that China and Russia are
enemies. They are not enemies; they work together. They are
controlled by the same Jesuit Order. The Jesuits run Peking; they
also run Moscow. They run the dictator of China and they run the
dictator of Russia. It doesn’t matter who he is. It doesn’t matter
what their names are. The Jesuits control them, and if they resist
them, they’re out! Just like in the United States.
So, they’re breaking apart the American Empire.
They’re creating a huge coalition of Oriental nations for our
Now, let’s talk about Africa. There are 700,000, as I
understand it, Chinese troops in Somalia. Chuck Colson, one of the
conspirators in the Kennedy assassination and the Watergate
cover-up, is now the false Bible-believer, the false Protestant.
He’s working for the Jesuits because the head of his prison
fellowship is a Roman Catholic.
Colson now is being used to try to get an American
military force into the Sudan to save these Black Christians, who in
fact are Black Roman Catholics. If that is accomplished, if that is
done, we are now going to have a large military force in the Sudan,
and there’s a large military force in Somalia. What do you think it
would take for those two military forces to clash?
And if those military forces clash, we will have an
escalation in Africa, which I believe is what the Jesuits want.
that happens, there can be a surgical strike into
Jerusalem for the blowing-up of the Dome of the Rock. The Moslems,
the Muftis, have known that was the intent of the Zionists for
years, the blowing of the Dome of the Rock, so that Solomon’s Temple
can be rebuilt. And you can find this information in Pierre van Paassen’s great work, written in 1939, called Days Of Our Years. So,
with this coalition with the 14th Amendment American forces against
the Chinese forces in Africa, this could happen.
Now, what would happen as a result of the destruction
of the Dome of the Rock? Well, the Moslems regard the Dome of the
Rock as the third most important holy place in their religion. They
would call for a Jihad against “The Great Satan”, the United States.
And with a Jihad, a Holy War, against the United States, they would
then go across Africa to West Africa. There will probably be a
coalition of ships ready at that time, to be ferried across the
Atlantic Ocean into Cuba. And Cuba will be the landing base, the
staging base for the invasion of the Protestant American South, the
last real Protestant bastion of liberty in the world.
Remember: according to the Koran, it is no murder to
kill a Christian; in fact, it is a virtuous act.
So, here we’d have all of these Moslem troopers,
millions of Moslem troopers will be landing in Miami, landing in New
Orleans, landing in the South of the United States, coupled with a
Cuban military force, coupled with, probably, also a Chinese
military force coming from the West Coast, and coming up through the
Panama Canal to unite with them in the attack of the American South.
With the blood bath that will ensue, this whole coalition of
nations: China, Russia, Cuba, the Arabs, they will carry out the
destruction and annihilation of this North American population,
WHICH INCLUDES CANADA; it definitely includes Canada.
It is for this reason, because the government is
controlled by the Jesuits, the government of the United States is
seeking our total disarmament and the abolition of all gun
ownership. This is why the Jesuit Conference, for years, has been
anti-gun-ownership, meaning handguns, rifles, and shotguns.
So, to have the American people completely disarmed,
our military cut way down, we have no Navy any more, really, to
speak of; we have no Army—it’s a totally demoralized Army, with this
forced integration; and we have Black supremacy in the Army.
I was there, in Germany, for 3 years. I watched it
with my own eyes. So, we have a demoralized American Army that
doesn’t know what to fight.
Martin: Let me just jump-in here to say that
Bush is beefing-up the military, reversing what was done previously
by Clinton. How can you say we have a weak Army when we’re about to
spend billions beefing up our defenses? Is this just a show?
Phelps: That’s just a show. Because the
Jesuits who controlled Clinton are the same Jesuits who control
Bush. And remember, we were already scaling-down with Carter and
Reagan and Ford.
And so, this whole idea of re-armament, it might be
for some super-system of preventing missiles from coming in, an
anti-ballistic missile system, but that’s ridiculous, because we
know there is no such thing as universal nuclear war. We have no
evidence that incoming nukes can detonate a specific target.
We don’t know EXACTLY what transpired at Hiroshima
and Nagasaki, but they have contorted that into the hoax of
thermo-nuclear war, which I do not believe can happen. Bruce Cathie
doesn’t believe it can happen; William Cooper doesn’t believe it can
happen; and other physicists don’t believe it can happen. Other
physicists don’t believe it’s possible, which now limits us to a
standing army of men who know how to fight, which we do not have. We
don’t have it anymore.
So, with all of these hordes of invaders coming in,
and a disarmed population, it would be a piece of cake. Remember
that Spain was invaded by 4 million Moslem troopers. They landed in
the Canary Islands, and from the Canary Islands they then invaded
Spain, and they were led by a Roman Catholic Archbishop who was
backing Franco! This is in the 1930s.
If they did it in the ’30s, won’t they do it now? And
if they used Moslems to kill Orthodox Serbians just recently, in the
1990s, wouldn’t they use Moslems to kill Protestant Americans? If
they used Moslems to kill Roman Catholic Spanish, wouldn’t they do
the same thing here? Sure they would. So that’s what is happening in
the United States.
Martin: What just happened in Europe with Bush
going over there and theoretically being given a hard time by the
European community? What do you see happening in Europe right now?
Phelps: Well, not believing the press is our
first maxim of reading.
Remember, a unified Europe is a Vatican brainchild.
That all originated with the Jesuits in the Vatican for the
reuniting of the Holy Roman Empire, which our friend Leo Lehmann
said is exactly what the Jesuits wanted in 1942—a reunited Holy
Roman Empire with a Catholic Germany at it’s core.
Martin: And you base all of your conclusions
just on this one person?
Phelps: No, no, no, no—this is a certain
topic, and he adds to the color we’re given.
Martin: I know that, but I asked the question
that way because not all of our readers will be aware of the extent
of the bibliography supporting the contentions of your research in
Phelps: Ok. The Jesuits want a unified Europe.
The Bible-believers of England are greatly resisting it, but the
Jesuit-controlled Tony Blair will, ultimately, bring England into
that Union. And Bush is helping to co-ordinate that, because the
Federal Reserve Bank, the largest bank in the world, is one of the
greatest contributors, or players, in international trading.
Martin: Are you saying that Alan Greenspan is
a pawn of the Jesuit Order?
Phelps: Absolutely. Alan Greenspan is a
Masonic Jewish Zionist and a pawn of the Jesuit Order. And the
Jesuits are very careful to have visible Jews at the head of the
Federal Reserve System so they can blame all the evils of the
Federal Reserve Bank on the Jews.
We’re never told, for example, that the head, right
now, of the most powerful Federal Reserve Bank—because there are 12
of them—in New York is a man named McDonough. He’s an Irish Roman
Catholic. He’s a member of the Council on Foreign Relations. He’s a
friend, a bosom-buddy of O’Hare, who is the President and Jesuit of
the 4th Vow of Fordham University.
Why are we not told that about the Federal Reserve
Bank? It’s always Jews, Jews, Jews. Jews are just pawns. They’ve
always been the bankers for the Pope. The Masonic Jewish bankers are
the bankers for the Pope. And before the Rothschild's, it was the
Martin: Who are the College of Cardinals who
choose the Pope?
Phelps: The College of Cardinals is REALLY the
Roman Senate. The Pope is really the Caesar. And so this military
Caesar is elected by Roman Senators, as to who will be their leader
for World Government under the 7th Roman Caesar, who’s yet to come.
And so, the ones who do the electing are the Cardinals.
Martin: Now, those who see the current Pope
see a very frail man. Has he served well? Is that why he’s been
allowed to stay on so long?
Phelps: He’s done very well. He’s served the
Jesuit Order perfectly. This supposed rift between him and Arrupe,
and suppressing the Jesuits with their Liberation Theology in
Central America, is all for public consumption. That Pope is
completely emasculated with regard to the power of the Jesuit Order.
The Jesuit Order has proven its power with the
Napoleonic Wars, the killing of Pope Pius VI, the imprisoning of
Pius VII, the restoration by Pius VII.
THE JESUIT ORDER IS OMNIPOTENT WHEN IT COMES TO THE
PAPACY, AND THEY ARE THE ONES IN POWER.
Just like Hitler fashioned his Third Reich around the
Papacy, the Secret Police or the SS were modeled after the Jesuits,
and the Jesuits are the Secret Police of the Vatican Empire. They
keep things in order. Without the Jesuit Order, the Vatican and the
Papacy and the hierarchy would fall apart.
Martin: Who issued the Papal Bull suppressing
the Jesuit Order?
Phelps: Pope Clement XIV.
Martin: Let’s talk about that.
Phelps: Pope Clement XIV was a Franciscan. His
name was Ganganelli. He was elected Pope due to the influence of the
Bourbon monarchs—the Bourbon King of Spain, the Bourbon King of
France, and the Braganzas of Portugal. Those insisted that a Pope
would be brought to power who would suppress the Jesuit Order,
because the Jesuits were busy making billions in South America, and
never gave a dime to the Portuguese King and the Spanish King.
Martin: How were they making money in South
Phelps: They were making money in South
America with their Reductions.
Martin: What are Reductions?
Phelps: Reductions are like communes; they’re
like a Kibbutz in Israel or a commune in Russia.
Martin: And what years are we talking about.
Phelps: We’re talking between 1600-1750,
roughly 150 years of these Reductions, where these Garani Indians
were putting hides and tallow and clocks and the Paraguay herb and
many, many commodities into international shipping and trade—which
the Jesuits shipped all around the world with their “Black Ships”,
and had HUGE commercial profits with which they started banks in
Europe and then funded wars. And one of the projects that they
funded were the Napoleanic Wars.
Martin: This Pope, Ganganelli, suppressed the
Jesuits with a Papal Bull?
Phelps: That’s right. Dominus Ac Redemptor.
That was the Bull. That is its formal name.
Martin: What is a Bull?
Phelps: A Bull is a legal document that the
Pope speaks within his most powerful method of speaking. It’s sealed
with “the seal of the fishman”. A “brief” does not have that seal. A
brief is a less powerful document; it can be overruled with a Bull.
Martin: So, this Pope, in 1773, issued the
Bull eliminating the Jesuit Order forever?
Phelps: Forever! After a 4-year investigation
of all their intrigues, of all their power, of all their wealth, of
all their buildings, everything, after a 4-year investigation they
were abolished by Clement XIV. And, remember, Clement XIII was about
to do the same thing when, the night before, he was poisoned.
So, Clement XIV was brought to power then and, after
a 4-year investigation, he suppresses them. And when he did so, he
said: “This suppression will be my death.”
Martin: And it was.
Phelps: And it was—14 months later, he died.
He was poisoned by the Jesuits with a poison called Aquetta.
It’s a slow poison that caused his intestines to have
terrible, terrible pain. And when he was embalmed, the intestines
exploded and they could not have an open-casket for viewing this
Pope. The flesh fell off of his fingers; his fingernails turned
black; his skin turned black; all his hair fell out; so they decided
they could not have an open display of the Pope in his garb. So they
had a closed casket.
Martin: So, this Papal Bull, which was a
PERMANENT dismantling of the Jesuit Order, was later overruled?
Martin: Now, how can a permanent disbanding of the
Order be overruled at all?
Phelps: The Jesuits came out and said this was not a
Bull. Even though, according to Thompson in his Footprints Of The
Jesuits, and according the Cusack’s The Black Pope, even though they
said it was a Bull, and Thompson said it was in the Library of the
Bulls in Rome, even though it’s a Bull, the Jesuits came out and
said it was a brief. And, therefore, Pope Pius VII, upon their
restoration, he instituted a Bull restoring the Jesuits, which
“overruled the brief”. That’s what they teach.
BUT THE FACT IS, THEIR SUPPRESSION WAS A BULL, AND
THEIR [contrived] RESTORATION WAS A BULL.
Martin: Ok, we’re jumping all over the place here,
but we’re just going to go with the flow. How did the Jesuits, in
England, issue their instructions to the Queen? Where is their seat
of power in England, specifically?
Phelps: I believe their seat of power in England is
Stonyhurst University. An English Lord, Thomas Well, gives
Stoneyhurst to the Jesuits in, I believe, 1795—about the time of the
French Revolution and just before the Napoleonic Wars.
Stonyhurst became their seat, their fortress from
which they would control England. And they were brought into England
and helped at that by King George III. King George was the
bosom-buddy of the Jesuits. And the English monarchs have been their
bosom-buddy ever since. King George reigned for quite a few years; I
believe he reigned for nearly 40 years. And Victoria enjoyed the
very same thing; she ruled from 1837-1901.
So, through the rule of George and Victoria, they
completely controlled England through Stonyhurst. Today they run
England through the Royal Institute for International Affairs. And
the Cardinal, who they rule through, is the Archbishop of
So, they have the Archbishop of Westminster in
England, and they have the Archbishop of New York in the United
States. They rule England through Stonyhurst. They rule the United
States through Georgetown and Fordham. They rule England through the
Royal Institute for International Affairs. They rule the United
States through the Council on Foreign Relations.
It’s an identical system in both countries because it
is an Empire. It is a Vatican Empire. That’s how they rule.
In Russia, they rule Moscow through the Patriarch of
the Armenian Church. So, the Patriarch is like the Archbishop in
London and New York. And it’s the Patriarch, there in Moscow, who
oversees the KGB and the inquisition there, called the gulag.
Agagianian was the Patriarch who was appointed a Cardinal by Pope
Pius XII, the very same year, 1946, that Cardinal Spellman was made
Cardinal for the American Empire.
Martin: How does the Mafia figure into all of this?
Phelps: The Mafia is run by Italian Roman Catholics,
Sicilians primarily. And the Mafia takes care of all organized
crime. They took care of the booze, before it was legalized. They
took care of prostitution, the drug running, gun running, all the
crime is organized by the Vatican, through the Mafia families—the
five Mafia families of New York.
It’s interesting that the Mafia Commission out of New
York is in the same location, and not far from, the Archbishop of
New York. So the Archbishop is very close to his mob bosses.
Spellman used his mob bosses in the invasion of
Sicily, using Lucky Luciano, called Operation Underworld. Here’s
Spellman working with Lucky Luciano for a “successful Naval
invasion” of Sicily, for which reason he is influential and causes
the release of Lucky Luciano in 1946 to go back to Italy. So we have
the relationship of Cardinal Spellman and the mob. And if Cardinal
Spellman had that power, every Cardinal afterward has the same
power. They don’t lose any power.
Now, one of the most obvious connections between the
Archbishop of New York and the mob is Frank Sinatra. Frank Sinatra
was a good bosom friend with Gambino. Gambino was murdered with a
vaccination, with a flu shot. They wanted him out of the way, so
they murdered him with a flu shot. Frank Sinatra was also a Knight
of Malta, who is subject, then, to the Archbishop of New York. So,
you have the Archbishop controlling the Knights of Malta. Frank
Sinatra is one of them, and Frank Sinatra is a good friend of a
Martin: Let’s talk about Princess Diana. Do you think
the Jesuits were behind her take-out?
Phelps: Absolutely, because the Jesuits control the
British Secret Service.
Martin: Let’s talk about Princess Diana. Why was she
a threat to the Jesuits?
Phelps: She was a threat in that if she had married a
Moslem, Dodi Fayed, that would have overturned the Throne of
England, because she still had rights through her children. Because
her sons would one day occupy the British throne, and if she is
alive with a Moslem Prince as a husband, we have a problem in
England. Because everybody knows that the Queen Mother, really, has
a lot of control over the King. And there would have been an
Islamic, Arab influence on the Queen, who would influence her son,
who would be King, who is now Prince.
Martin: So you think that the powers that be, within
the Jesuit Order, knew that she was pregnant with Dodi’s child?
Phelps: I believe so; and that’s why they got rid of
her—absolutely. And they sent a message to all the other British
nobility by saying: “If you do this, we’re going to do the same
thing to you.” Furthermore, they buried her in the cemetery, on the
Windsor property, where only dogs are buried. She’s buried with
Martin: What kind of symbolism is that?
Phelps: Because she was a “Moslem dog” in their eyes.
Martin: In the recent June, 2001 issue of The
SPECTRUM, we shared an article from Sherman Skolnick in which he not
only mentions the Jesuits, but he talks about the incredible
financial influence, and power, and control in California and
elsewhere by the Japanese Mafia, called the Yakuza. Is there any
relationship between the Yakuza and the Jesuits?
Phelps: Absolutely. The Jesuits control the Yakuza.
To understand this, we have to go back in the history of Japan.
Japan had, wonderfully and righteously, expelled the Jesuits from
their Empire around 1619, give or take a few years. The Jesuits were
forbidden to ever enter Japan!
The Japanese, then, kicked-out the Portuguese; they
kicked-out the Spanish. The only ones who could ever trade with
Japan were the Dutch, the Protestant Dutch. Well, when the Jesuits
were beginning to get control of our country, they got control of
Polk. And Polk was responsible for the sending of Commodore Perry to
Martin: What year?
Phelps: 1853-1854. He then opens up Japan to
international trade. So now “foreigners” can enter into Japan.
Foreigners then began an agitation and a revolution in Japan. The
reigning Emperor of Japan, who was a young man about 35, wanted to
get rid of the Jesuits and these foreign powers, so he was
According to Ryu Ohta, my friend in Japan, the
Japanese had been taught that he was killed by Sassoon House—the
Jews. But the Emperor was really killed by the Jesuits, because the
son of this Emperor later went on to rule Japan from 1873 to 1912,
and this Emperor was the grandfather to Hirohito.
This Emperor was a young boy at the time he came to
power. He ruled for all those years. The Jesuits during that time
dis-established the Buddhists as a state religion, and made
tremendous inroads in power in Japan, controlling the Dynasty,
because they were going to use Japan to foment a war with the United
States for the purpose of eliminating as much Buddhism as they could
from the Far East, and weakening the American Protestants, and many
other purposes, such as killing off Protestant missionaries in the
Far East—whereas the Japanese Army never persecuted the Catholic
missionaries. And this is according to the Jesuits’ own magazine
America, written and published in 1943 or 1944.
This is where the Jesuits got their power over the
Emperor, and thus the Yakuza. So now, the Jesuits have that power,
they maintain that power. They maintained power over Hirohito. And
thus, they have power over the Yakuza today, in Japan and
Martin: There was a book written many years ago
called Tai Pan. Now, would a Tai Pan, symbolically, be the
equivalent of the Black Pope?
Phelps: Sure. It’s a Secret Society. It’s a Japanese
Secret Society that really rules.
Martin: Theoretically they would rule independently.
Phelps: They rule together with the Monarch.
Martin: Which would be the real Black Pope?
Phelps: The Black Pope. Remember, the Black Pope is
in control of the Monarch of Japan.
Martin: We need to explain to our readers that the
Jesuit Order is NOT a religious order, it is a MILITARY ORDER.
Phelps: It is a military order. When they dawn
religious garb to get into a country to talk about Christ and God
and so forth, they really want to capture the power and wealth of
every country, to submit every country to the temporal, Earthly,
political power of the Pope.
Martin: I don’t want to get too far off-subject here,
but would you say “As with the Jews, so with the Yakuza”?
Phelps: Correct. As with the Masonic Jewish Zionists,
so with the Masonic Yakuza. They’re all Masonic. Masonry unites all
religions into one.
Martin: And behind the scenes the Jesuits are
pulling the strings?
Phelps: Pulling the strings because they wrote
all of the Masonic rites.
Martin: For our Masonic scholars out there, on
what do you base that?
Phelps: We know that, according to several
citations I reference in the book VATICAN ASSASSINS, the Jesuits
wrote the first 25 degrees of the Scottish Rite Freemasonry, from
the College of Clermont, which was changed to the College of Louis
LeGrand, in Paris, France.
Martin: What year?
Phelps: 1754. That is a fact. The Jesuits
wrote those rites.
Martin: Do you have any names behind that?
Phelps: Oh, I believe Chevalier Ramsey was,
Chevalier de Bonneville was one. Remember the Bonneville automobile,
and Pontiac? Those were Jesuits. And we have Adam Weishaupt, who was
a Jesuit, who was a Mason. And it was the Rothschild Luciferians. So
we have many dovetails of the Jesuits being Freemasons.
And we know, according to our hero Alberto Rivera,
that Pedro Arrupe was a Mason, and Pedro Arrupe was a Jesuit
General. Pedro Arrupe was a Mason AND in the Communist Party of
Spain when he was a Jesuit General.
So, we also know that the Jesuits were involved in
the writing of the last 8 degrees of Scottish Rite Freemasonry, with
Fredrick the Great in Prussia, while Fredrick protected the Jesuits
and gave them the ability to live in his country, while they were
being suppressed by the Pope.
Martin: Let’s circle back around to the
Yakuza. According to Skolnick, the Yakuza own many, many businesses
in this country, many, many banks are owned and controlled in
California and elsewhere by the Yakuza. Now, are you saying that’s
just a front?
Phelps: They’re just a front, like any other
Mafia, like the Italian Mafia, which is the foremost Mafia in
Martin: Which J. Edgar Hoover said “Didn’t
Phelps: Which he said didn’t exist. It’s all
baloney. It is just a front. They hold the property, they hold the
money for the Vatican.
Martin: So the Yakuza would be the 3rd trusted
party that we talked about?
Phelps: That’s right, they’re the 3rd trusted
party. And I tend to also believe that there is some kind of hand
involved in the murder of Bruce Lee with this. Bruce Lee was not
going along with the Catholic Church.
Martin: And he was giving away secrets.
Phelps: He was giving away martial arts
secrets, and so on, and he was not going along with the Vatican.
Remember, he had a rift with Hollywood, and most of his films were
made in Hong Kong.
Martin: And his son was also killed not long
Phelps: His son was then killed on a
movie-making set also. So his son knew something. And evidently,
just like Jackie Kennedy, Linda Lee doesn’t open her mouth. So there
are two murders here that the Secret Societies are involved in.
Martin: You don’t talk too much about Bobby
Kennedy. Has your research uncovered any names behind Bobby
Phelps: Well, we know that Officer Thane
Eugene Cesar really pulled the trigger, shot him in the back of the
head with a twenty-two. And Officer Cesar was an employee for
Lockheed Corporation. The Jesuits, according to Avro Manhattan,
So, just as Lee Iacocca dispatches his security chief
to drive the bullet-ridden limousine of Kennedy from Washington to
Cincinnati to get repaired, even so, some Knight of Malta in charge
of Lockheed Corporation, I don’t know who it was, dispatches Officer
Cesar to be a guard of Robert F. Kennedy—who then, in turn, shoots
and kills him. And Sirhan was a scapegoat, just like Oswald was a
Martin: What do you have to say about Earl
Phelps: Earl Warren was in the hands of the
Jesuits when he was the governor of California. Earl Warren was one
of the sinister individuals behind that evil and terrible Japanese
concentration camp system. That was his brainchild. He was behind
the anti-Jap agitation in World War II.
The Japanese are decent, law-abiding, peaceful
people, for the most part. They had all their farms taken from them.
They were in control of all of the produce, and they had it all
stolen from them by Roman Catholic, Knight of Malta-controlled
corporations—just as was done to the American Indian. They went into
their burial grounds and stole all their gold, and used their
missions to send it back to Rome.
So, Earl Warren was a part of this. He was a good
boy, so they named him and put him on the Supreme Court. He was the
He was a 33rd-degree Freemason involved in the
Kennedy assassination, forced amalgamation, forced race-mixing with
the Supreme Court decision in 1966, forced integration with the
Brown vs. The Board Of Education in 1954.
going to ask you now a very important question, one that will be on
the minds of many people: Why should our readers not feel that you
are merely substituting the word JESUITS for JEWS in terms of
fomenting hatred and animosity toward Jesuit people? Why is that not
Phelps: Well, first of all, there’s a
tremendous difference between the Jesuit Order and the Jewish race.
We don’t know exactly who the Jewish race is. I sure
don’t know. I think only God knows who it is. But it’s a
civilization of people who are engaged in commerce and trade, and
they have cultures, they have communities.
Jesuits are an army. They’re soldiers. They’re under
oath. When you become professed of the 4th Degree, they give you The
According to another gentleman, he says there’s a
degree beyond the 4th Degree, where it’s absolute Luciferianism.
This is according to Jim Arrabito, who died mysteriously in a plane
crash in Alaska on September 2, 1990. Jim Arrabito was one of the
chief guys in the Seventh Day Adventists, and he was a master of
Jesuit history. You can get his videos, Secrets Of The Jesuits, from
But anyway, the difference between the Jews and the
Jesuits is strictly—one is a people, and one is an Order determined
to subvert all nations to the jurisdiction of the Pope.
And, in light of the documents that I provide with
the book version of VATICAN ASSASSINS—I have over 4,000 pages on
CD-ROM, with four distinct different histories showing the history
of the Order—that’s exactly what they were doing then, and that’s
exactly what they’re doing now.
Martin: So what’s different about what you’re
saying? Rather than just being another wild conspiracy theory, it’s
your position that you’ve really proven that this is a fact, and not
Phelps: Other men have proven the fact. I just
reiterate what they’ve said.
If you read The Black Pope, by Cusack, she says the
very same thing. She was a nun, a converted nun to Christ in 1896.
Martin: And why is she so important?
Phelps: Because she was a nun intimately
involved with priests, and especially Jesuits, prior to her
conversion to Christ. She would know; she was on the inside.
Martin: Why is that book so important?
Phelps: Because it has been suppressed and
stolen out of every library in the world! There is only one in
existence that I know of, that’s publicly accessible, and that is in
the British Museum.
It’s also accessible on the CD-ROM included with the
book VATICAN ASSASSINS, for those of your readers who would like it.
But, other than that, it’s a suppressed document. Griesinger,
Thompson, Cusack, Nicolini—those are the four major histories of the
Jesuit Order, and all four are on the CD-ROM [along with a number of
other rare and otherwise “missing” research documents].
Martin: So you’re saying that the time-lines
that you put forth, and the conclusions that you draw, are really
based on historical experts over the last two centuries? This is not
just your position?
Phelps: Absolutely. I’m standing on the
shoulders of giants, as a little cricket. These people are brilliant
and Godly. Nicolini, an Italian Roman Catholic, converted to Christ,
involved in the Italian Revolution of 1848, had to flee for his
life, was in exile in England, and there he wrote his great History
Of The Jesuits, warning England that if the Jesuits sought to
destroy England under Elizabeth, they would surely do the same thing
Martin: And they have.
Phelps: And they have. We have the great
Theodor Griesinger, who was the great German who wrote The Jesuits
as a history told by the German people—823 pages of meticulous
documentation of all their doings in all the countries. And he was
the one, I learned, who said the Jesuits could very well be planning
a second Thirty-Years War, another Thirty-Years War. And he wrote
that, the second edition was in 1873.
[Editor’s note: And remember that the second bloody
and diabolical “Thirty-Years War” did indeed happen, between 1914
and 1945, as Eric mentioned earlier in this interview in conjunction
with financing it through the setting up of the Federal Reserve Bank
So, these learned people have made quite clear and
quite evident the purpose and power of the Jesuit Order.
We haven’t had anybody in the 20th Century write an
extensive history of what they’ve accomplished from 1900-2000. I
would hope that somebody who knows these histories, who knows
grammar and spelling and is able to write nice prose (unlike myself)
would be able to do this, and write a real modern history of this.
Ridpath came close to it, but he ended his work in the mid-1850s,
with his Ridpath’s Universal History [Of The World]. We have not had
a significant historian do this modern work for us.
Martin: And why is that?
Phelps: Because these Jesuits have all these
colleges and universities bought and paid for! And these
universities won’t get grants if they start to expose the Jesuit
Now, with all these “hate crime” laws, anything
truthfully said about the Jesuit Order will generate attempts to
contort it into some kind of a hate crime, which is NOT what we’re
doing. We are merely telling the truth.
Martin: What is your solution to the Jesuit
problem in America? What would you like to see, ultimately, happen
in this country?
Phelps: In this country, what I would like to
see happen is exactly what happened in England in the 16th Century,
when several Jesuits left the Order. They were intelligent, powerful
Jesuits, involved in the conspiracy to overthrow England.
They told the powers-that-be about what they were
supposed to do, and as a result, the government of England expelled
the Jesuits from their dominions, because they were regarded as
traitors and conspirators in the overthrow of legitimate
government—of self-rule, of nationalism; a country should be ruled
by its own people.
The solution here would be the expulsion of the
Jesuit Order, that they would be outlawed and banned.
There would be period of grace where certain Jesuits
could come forward, tell what they know. But why would the Jesuits
want to do that when this government is controlled by the Council on
Foreign Relations, which is controlled by the Jesuits? The
government is controlled by the Jesuits through the mob and
Martin: Proposing the expulsion of the
Jesuits, the difference between that and racial persecution, such as
with the Jews, yours is based on treason, which is a lawful
conclusion based on your research concerning what their true aims
and objectives are—namely, the overthrow of this government.
Phelps: The usurping of this government, the
controlling of this government for their own purposes. And then
using this government, with a coalition of other governments they
control, for the annihilation of the “heretic” and “liberal”
population of this country, pursuant to the Council of Trent, that
every Pope swears upon his coronation to uphold.
Martin: Thank you so much for taking this time
to clarify these many points about the Jesuit Order. Our readers
will really appreciate this as you offer much food for both thought
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