Sutton, is the author of 26 books, many of which can be
purchased on-line at Amazon or Barnes & Noble. Liberty House
Press at 1-800-343-6180 has copies of America's Secret
Establishment and Best Enemy Money Can Buy for sale.
The following interview with Mr. Sutton is dated July 6, 1999
Antony C. Sutton, 74, has been persecuted but never prosecuted
for his research and subsequent publishing of his findings. His
mainstream career was shattered by his devotion towards
uncovering the truth. In 1968, his Western Technology and Soviet
Economic Development was published by The Hoover Institute at
Stanford University. Sutton showed how the Soviet state's
technological and manufacturing base, which was then engaged in
supplying the North Vietnamese the armaments and supplies to
kill and wound American soldiers, was built by US firms and
mostly paid for by the US taxpayers. From their largest steel
and iron plant, to automobile manufacturing equipment, to
precision ball-bearings and computers, basically the majority of
the Soviet's large industrial enterprises had been built with
the United States help or technical assistance.
Professor Richard Pipes, of Harvard, said in his book, Survival
Is Not Enough: Soviet Realities and America's Future (Simon &
Schuster;1984): "In his three-volume detailed account of Soviet
Purchases of Western Equipment and Technology . . . [Antony]
Sutton comes to conclusions that are uncomfortable for many
businessmen and economists. For this reason his work tends to be
either dismissed out of hand as 'extreme' or, more often, simply
The report was too much and Sutton's career as a well-paid
member of the academic establishment was under attack and he was
told that he "would not survive".
His work led him to more questions than answers. "Why had the US
built-up it's enemy? Why did the US build-up the Soviet Union,
while we also transferred technology to Hitler's Germany? Why
does Washington want to conceal these facts?"
Sutton, following his leads, proceeded to research and write his
three outstanding books on Wall Street: and FDR; and the Rise of
Hitler; and The Bolshevik Revolution. Then, someone sent Antony
a membership list of Skull and Bones and--"a picture jumped
out". And what a picture! A multigenerational foreign-based
secret society with fingers in all kinds of pies and roots going
back to 'Illuminati' influences in 1830's Germany.
For the full story, check-out Sutton's book America's Secret
Establishment, in print for 14 years and available from Liberty
House Press, 1-800-343-6180.
Skull And Bones
Here, in a recent e-mail interview, are Antony Sutton's own
reflections and answers to questions from myself and other
Pre-interview note from Antony Sutton: Remember all my papers on
this are in deep storage 1000 miles away and cannot be accessed
and I've not even thought about S&B for 15 years. I had no idea
that any interest had been aroused out there. I know the book is
a steady seller from the royalty reports; but that is all. For
the last 10 years I have been in complete seclusion working on
future technology...I'm more engineer than historian. The only
visitors I've had or meetings have been with three-letter agency
people, who arrive on the doorstep unannounced and complain I am
hard to find. Big Brother has the ability apparently to find
anyone. Nothing mysterious about this, I just dislike publicity
and social interaction. . . . You will see from the Dutch TV
episode that my work still upsets the "powers that be" so these
are merely reasonable precautions.
KM - Can you tell the story of how you learned of Skull & Bones?
And how you felt?
The Skull & Bones Building at Yale University
AS - I knew nothing of S&B until I received a letter in the
early 80's asking if I would like to look at a genuine
membership list. For no real reason I said yes. It was agreed to
send the package by Federal Express and I could keep it for 24
hours, it had to be returned to the safe. It was a "black bag"
job by a family member disgusted with their activities. For the
benefit of any S&B members who may read and doubt the statement;
the membership list is in two volumes, black leather bound.
Living members and deceased members in separate volumes. Very
handsome books. I spent all night in Kinko's, Santa Cruz ,
copied the entire volumes and returned within the 24 hour
period. I have never released any copies or identified the
source. I figured each copy could be coded and enable S&B to
trace the leak. How did I feel? I felt then (as I do now} that
these "prominent" men are really immature juveniles at heart.
The horrible reality is that these little boys have been
dominant in their influence in world affairs. No wonder we have
wars and violence. Skull and Bones is the symbol of terrorist
violence, pirates, the SS Deaths Head Division in WW Two, labels
on poison bottles and so on. I kept the stack of xerox sheets
for quite a while before I looked at them--when I did look--a
picture jumped out, THIS was a significant part of the so called
establishment. No wonder the world has problems!
KM - What is the percentage of active members?
AS - I haven't checked for 15 years...it used to be about one
quarter. With the rise of the Bush dynasty it will increase
somewhat, as they climb on the bankwagon. The Demos had their
turn with Harriman in the 40's and 50's.
KM - How many active members are there?
AS - Usually about 600 alive at any one time . . . recently more
KM- What is your take on the grandfather clock that each member
AS - They do get a clock I've had that confirmed and you will
see it in the photos in ASE (AMERICA'S SECRET ESTABLISHMENT).
Might be symbolic, perhaps to state their organization goes on
KM - Has Skull and Bones lost its clout?
AS - Well look at the recent fundraiser for George
Bush...Republicans are stuffing money into his pockets...I
suggest members recently got behind one of their own and decided
to push George all out for president--and Democrats can't do a
thing because Democrat Bones are not going to allow the Party to
use the ultimate weapon--George's membership in a foreign secret
KM - What do you know of George ' W.' Bush?
AS - He is a third generation Bonesman. My personal impression
is that he doesn't have the drive of his father or the skills of
his grandfather....--but I could be very wrong. He can beat
anyone hands down--EXCEPT VENTURA. If Bush handlers allow a face
to face debate between Bush and Ventura, Ventura will win.
Remember Ventura has admitted to his so-called "sins". Bush has
a closet full waiting to emerge. People are getting bored with
cover ups and spin. 2000 may see the end of the Bones influence
or--reality that these Bones people are powerful.
KM - Is the 'name' of the German group known?
AS - Almost certainly Illuminati.
KM - Some people say that there are other 'cells'; what do you
AS - There are many other secret societies. I've only looked at
S&B. Unfortunately no historian will keep his job if he tries to
explore conspiracy...this is taboo for the American Historical
Association. Sooner or later outsiders will take a look. I've
long thought that S&B fits the legal definition of a conspiracy
and needs to be officially investigated. Yes there should be
other cells. No secret society worth anything is going to keep
its inner actions written down on paper. If the gigantic
electronic monitoring apparatus is for national security
purposes; then it should be monitoring these people 24 hours a
KM - What are your thoughts on Wolf's Head? Scroll & Key? And
the other Senior societies at Yale?
AS - Wolfs Head, Scroll and Key seem to be pale imitations of
S&B, but they have the same objective of deliberately building
discrimination into a society. I listened to Jesse Ventura last
night and he made the point that the Founding Fathers intended
for CITIZENS to represent the people. I agree, a trucker, a
farmer, a teacher--represents the people not a bunch of
professional pols or a secret society like S&B. All these
societies place their own members ahead of the pack and give
preference to their own members--this is discrimination par
KM - Have you read Cathy O'Brian's book Trance-Formation Of
America? What do think of it?
AS - The book does not contain one piece of hard physical
evidence.. I think Cathy O'Brien BELIEVES SHE IS TELLING THE
TRUTH . . . but remember that Mark Phillips is a skilled neuro-linguistic-programmer.
Another point that really concerns me is this...where did this
story originate? It originated in Communist Chinese Intelligence
and Mark Phillips had a contractual relationship with the
ChiComs. This could be an attempt to destabilize the US. No
doubt these Washington pols are fully capable of these weird
practices, just look at Bohemian Grove but that doesn't mean
that the book is an accurate portrayal. If the book is credible
I would think the police would have raided Bohemian Grove long
My best guess is that the Chinese picked up whispers of
Washington scandals and blew them out of proportion for their
own purposes. This is a GUESS...I don't know. One thing that
puzzled me, with all these sexual shenanigans how do Washington
politicians find time to do anything else? According to the book
this is a full time occupation for Senator Byrd and others.
KM - What did your study of elites, economics, secrecy and
technology do for your career?
AS-Depends what you mean by "career"? By conventional standards
I am an abject failure. I've been thrown out of two major
Universities (UCLA and Stanford), denied tenure at Cal State Los
Angeles. Every time I write something, it appears to offend
someone in the Establishment and they throw me to the wolves. On
the other hand I've written 26 books, published a couple of
newsletters and so on...even more important I've never
compromised on the truth And I don't quit. In material
terms...hopeless failure. In terms of discovery...I think I've
been successful. Judge a man by his enemies. William Buckley
called me a "jerk". Glenn Campbell, former Director of the
Hoover Institution, Stanford called me "a problem".
KM - Do you believe that there has been suppression of
technology? Has it been major or minor?
AS - Yes there has been suppression but its going to be
impossible to suppress the new emerging paradigm.
KM - The Federal Reserve, the House of Morgan, House of
Rothschild and Skull and Bones are they related?
AS - Best source for this is a book by me THE FEDERAL RESERVE
CONSPIRACY, 1995 CPA, PO Box 596, Boring OR 97007.
KM- On Skull and Bone's influencing John Dewey and Horace Mann;
are there good source materials to follow that story?
AS - Depends what you want to find. You could explore the 10(?)
volume works of Dewey... outrageous Hegelianism, the state is
supreme, the individual merely a pawn to be trained. This is the
basis of our 'educational system"...or you could go and explore
the members of S&B who brought the system to the US. This
trained "sausage mind" outlook has thoroughly permeated our
universities--that's why we have the peer review system...we are
all supposed to think alike and find the same answers. This
political correctness garbage is another step to total thought
AH - Did any of Hitler's economic policies threaten the
interests of the international bankers, and if so did that play
a role in his downfall?
AS - Hitler's economic policies were OK'd by the bankers right
through the war...ITT, Chase, Texaco and others were operating
in Nazi-held France as late as 1945. In fact Chase in Paris was
trying to get Nazi accounts as late as 1944. When we got to
Germany in May 1945, I remember seeing a (bombed-out) Woolworth
store in Hamburg and thinking, "What's Woolworth doing in Nazi
Germany?" While we were bombed and shelled it was "business as
usual" for Big Business. Try the Alien Custodian Papers. See my
BEST ENEMY MONEY CAN BUY for more information. Union Banking is
very important. I made a documentary for Dutch National TV some
years ago. It got all the way through the production process to
the Dutch TV Guide...at the last minute it was pulled and
another film substituted. This documentary has proof of Bush
financing Hitler-- documents. Maybe my Dutch friends will still
get it viewed, but the apparatus reaches into Holland.
KM - What is the story that was going to be told on Dutch TV?
And what is the story of it's censorship?
AS - Couple of years back, a Dutch TV production company from
Amsterdam--under contract to Dutch National TV--came to US to
make documentary on S&B. They went to the Bones Temple and other
places and interviewed people on East Coast. On West Coast, they
interviewed myself and one other person. I saw extracts from the
original and it is a good professional job. They had documents
linking Bush family and other S&B members to financing Hitler
through Union Banking of New York and its Dutch correspondent
bank. More than I have in WALL STREET AND THE RISE OF HITLER.
The first version was later upgraded into a two part documentary
and scheduled for showing this last March. It was pulled at last
minute and has never been shown.
AH - Who has been financing Milosevic, and what role has the
international banking community played in the Balkans?
AS - I haven't looked at this one. Of course the notorious Black
Hand society is located in the Balkans. See WW One.
DG - What is the importance of your work on Skull and Bones?
AS - The potential is extraordinary. IF we find that secret
societies are indeed significant the entire history of the last
two centuries will have to be re-written. At this point in 1999,
the potential has not been explored by others and I've moved
back to my original interest--technology. Apparently people see
some merit in the work. It is never advertised. It is an
underground word of mouth distribution but has sold steadily
from 1986 to date. Every month I get a royalty check, so I know
it is selling. But my original enthusiastic statement has not
KM - What do you see for the future?
AS - Chaos, confusion and ultimately a battle between the
individual and the State. The individual is the stronger; and
will win. The state is a fiction sanctified by Hegel and his
followers to CONTROL the individual. Sooner or later people will
wake up. First we have to dump the trap of right and left, this
is a Hegelian trap to divide and control. The battle is not
between right and left; it is between us and them. The message
is getting through. ASE has sold for 15 years, small but steady.
No advertising. Its an underground work. But the breadth of
interest is amazing. From Black Africa, to Russia (12,000
copies), right, left...it cuts across all ethnic, political,
social lines...The spirit of God is within us as individuals.
Skull & Bones represents death. It has no life spirit and
pretends that the State "is the march of God on earth". The
thinking of immature juveniles, deadly and destructive and has
almost totally infected Washington. What to do? Find yourself
and then go to work.....tell your friends and put out the
message. The answer is within you. _____ Antony Sutton, is the
author of 26 books, many of which can be purchased on-line at
Amazon or Barnes & Noble. Liberty House Press at 1-800-343-6180
has copies of America's Secret Establishment and Best Enemy
Money Can Buy for sale. New York Editors . . . In talking to a
magazine in New York that is working on a feature story on
George ' W ' Bush and was thinking of doing a piece on S&B. I
asked how about a sidebar on Antony Sutton? After getting
responses peppered with phrases such as; "Someone is claiming
he's a John Bircher" and; Here is what one editor (who shall
remain nameless) had to say about Sutton:
"Liberty House was/is a right wing publishing company located in
Billings, Montana. Anthony Sutton was a research fellow at
Stanford's Hoover Institution. Among many other claims, Sutton's
book accuses Skull and Bones of funding and encouraging "the
Maxist/Leftist '60s revolution"....and diverting attention by
drawing students into disarmament and/or environmental groups
and issues. Although there seems to be some real info in his
book, it reads like a classic text of right-wing propaganda,
filled with hyperbole and unsourced allegations" Antony Sutton's
What's wrong with these editors? I was thrown out of the Hoover
Institution by the CIA types....I am definitely persona
non-grata. Director Glenn Campbell actually threatened me: "you
will not survive."
Some right winger!! I've never been a member of the Birch
Society or any society come to that. I'd like to have that
Editor say that to my face. They're sick! Get his comments on
the above...and have him come up with some proof. What's the
legal definition of slander...it has to be untrue and malicious.
Do they have any money? When it comes right down to it the NY
people didn't even read my book...else they would know that I
see the right-left approach as a Hegelian trap...as for lack of
evidence Ill leave that to the readers. On second thought they
probably never heard of Hegel. When Lenin referred to 'useful
idiots" he must have had these people in mind.