CR: My name is Carol Rosin. I am an educator who
became the first woman corporate manager of an
Aerospace Company, Fairchild Industries.
am a Space and Missile Defense Consultant and have
consulted to a number of companies, organizations,
and government departments, even the intelligence
community. I was a consultant to TRW working on the
MX missile, so I was part of that strategy, which
turned out to be a role model for how to sell
space-based weapons to the public. The MX missile is
yet another weapon system that we didn't need. I
founded the Institute for Security and Cooperation
in Outer Space, a Washington DC based think tank. I
am an author and have testified before Congress and
the President's Commission on Space.
When I was a Corporate Manager of Fairchild
Industries from 1974 through 1977, I met the late Dr
Wernher Von Braun. We first met in early 1974. At
that time, Von Braun was dying of cancer but he
assured me that he would live a few more years to
tell me about the game that was being played- that
game being the effort to weaponize space, to control
the Earth from space and space itself. Von Braun had
a history of working with weapons systems. He
escaped from Germany to come to this country and
became a Vice President of Fairchild Industries when
I had met him. Von Braun's purpose during the last
years of his life, his dying years, was to educate
the public and decision-makers about why space-based
weapons are dumb, dangerous, destabilizing, too
costly, unnecessary, unworkable, and an undesirable
idea, and about the alternatives that are available.
As practically a deathbed speech, he educated me
about those concepts and who the players were in
this game. He gave me the responsibility, since he
was dying, of continuing this effort to prevent the
weaponization of outer space. When Wernher Von Braun
was dying of cancer, he asked me to be his
spokesperson, to appear on occasions when he was too
ill to speak. I did this.
What was most interesting to me was a repetitive
sentence that he said to me over and over again
during the approximately four years that I had the
opportunity to work with him. He said the strategy
that was being used to educate the public and
decision makers was to use scare tactics That was
how we identify an enemy. The strategy that Wernher
Von Braun taught me was that first the Russians are
going to be considered to be the enemy. In fact, in
1974, they were the enemy, the identified enemy. We
were told that they had "killer satellites". We were
told that they were coming to get us and control
us-that they were "Commies."
Then terrorists would be identified, and that was
soon to follow. We heard a lot about terrorism. Then
we were going to identify third-world country
"crazies." We now call them Nations of Concern. But
he said that would be the third enemy against whom
we would build space-based weapons.
The next enemy was asteroids. Now, at this point he
kind of chuckled the first time he said it.
Asteroids- against asteroids we are going to build
And the funniest one of all was what he called
aliens, extraterrestrials. That would be the final
scare. And over and over and over during the four
years that I knew him and was giving speeches for
him, he would bring up that last card. "And remember
Carol, the last card is the alien card. We are going
to have to build space-based weapons against aliens
and all of it is a lie."
think I was too naïve at that time to know the
seriousness of the nature of the spin that was being
put on the system. And now, the pieces are starting
to fall into place. We are building a space-based
weapons system on a premise that is a lie, a spin.
Wernher Von Braun was trying to hint that to me back
in the early 70's and right up until the moment when
he died in 1977.
What he told me was that there is an accelerated
effort in place. He didn't mention a timeline but he
said that it was going to be speeding up faster than
anybody could possibly imagine. That the effort to
put weapons into space was not only based on a lie
but would accelerate past the point of people even
understanding it until it was already up there and
When Von Braun was dying in front of me, the very
first day that I met him, he had tubes draining out
of his side. He was tapping on the desk telling me,
"You will come to Fairchild." I was a schoolteacher.
He said, "You will come to Fairchild and you will be
responsible for keeping weapons out of space." The
way he said it with this intenseness in his eyes,
and added that very first day, the first time I met
him, that space-based weapons were a dangerous,
destabilizing, too costly, unnecessary, untestable,
The last card that was being held was the
extraterrestrial enemy card.
The intensity with which he said that, made me
realize that he knew something that he was too
afraid to mention. He was too afraid to talk about
it. He would not tell me the details.
am not sure that I would have absorbed them if he
had told me the details or even believed him in
1974. But there was no question that that man knew
and had a need to know, I found out later.
There is no doubt in my mind that Wernher Von Braun
knew about the extraterrestrial issue. He explained
to me the reasons why weapons were going to be put
into space, the enemies against whom we were going
to build these weapons, and that all of that was a
lie. He mentioned that extraterrestrials were going
to be identified as the final enemy against whom we
were going to build space-based weapons back in
The way he said it to me, there was no doubt in my
mind that he knew something that he was too afraid
to talk about.
Wernher Von Braun never spoke to me about any of the
details that he knew related to extraterrestrials
except that one day extraterrestrials were going to
be identified as an enemy against whom we are going
to build an enormous space-based weapons system.
Wernher Von Braun actually told me that the spin was
a lie-that the premise for space-based weaponry, the
reasons that were going to be given, the enemies
that we were going to identify-were all based on a
have been tracking the space-based weapons issue for
about 26 years.
have debated Generals and Congressional
Representatives. I have testified before the
Congress and the Senate. I have met with people in
over 100 countries. But I have not been able to
identify who the people are who are making this
space-based weapons system happen. I see the news. I
see the administrative decisions being made. I know
that they are all based on lies and greed.
But I have yet to be able to identify who the people
are. That is after tracking this issue for 26 years.
I know that there are big secrets being kept and I
know that it is time the public and decision-makers
pay attention to the people who are now going to be
disclosing the truth. Then we need to make some
definite changes and build a system in space that
will benefit every single person, and all of the
animals, and the environment of this planet. The
technology is there. The solutions to Earth's urgent
and long-term potential problems are there. I have a
feeling that once we start studying this
extraterrestrial issue, all of the questions are
going to be answered that I have had for 26 years.
But I have concluded that it is based on a few
people making a lot of money and gaining power. It
is about ego. It is not about our essence and who we
really are on this planet and loving each other and
being at peace and cooperating. It isn't about using
technology to solve problems and heal people in the
planet. It isn't about that. It is about a few
people who really are playing an old, dangerous,
costly game for their own pocketbooks and power
struggle. That is all it is.
believe that this entire space-based weapons game is
initiated right here in the United States of
America. What I hope is that with this information
that is being disclosed, the new administration will
to do what is right. That is to transform the war
game into a space game so that we use the
technologies that are available not just as
spin-offs of war technology, but as direct
technological applications to build a cooperative
space system that will benefit the entire world and
that will allow us to communicate with the
extraterrestrial cultures that are obviously out
Who would benefit from these space-based weapons?
They are the people who work in that arena, people
in the military, in industries, in universities and
labs, in the intelligence community. This is not
just in the United States but it is worldwide. This
is a worldwide cooperative system. Wars are
cooperative. Just as peace will be when it breaks
out. But right now there are a lot of people
This is what our economy has been based on in this
country and spreading around the world-war. People
suffer as a result. It is not fair. It never has
been. People have screamed: "out of swords let us
build plow shares, let's have peace and hold hands
around the world," but it hasn't worked because too
many people are benefiting. Not only are they
benefiting financially, but from what my experience
is there are people who actually believe that
Armageddon should happen so we have to have these
So, it is going from the pocketbook, to the
religious right: some people actually believe that
we have to have wars for these religious reasons.
There are people who just love war. I have met
warriors who just love to go to war. Then there are
the good people, the soldiers, who just take orders.
They have to feed their children and send them to
college so they want to keep their jobs.
People in laboratories have told me that they don't
want to work on these technologies for war but if
they don't they won't get a paycheck. Who is going
to pay them? But what I see is that there are not
only dual uses for these technologies but there are
many uses for the same technologies.
We can build space hospitals, schools, hotels,
laboratories, farms, industries. It may sound far
out but if we don't do that we are going to build
battle stations and weapons pointed down all of our
throats and into space. Apparently we have been
doing some of that already.
We have a choice now that can be made. We can all
benefit-all of the people in the military industrial
complex, in the intelligence community, in
universities and labs, in the United States and all
over the world-we can all benefit. We can just
transform that industry so easily with just a
decision based on our highest consciousness, our
spirituality, and on the fact that we have no choice
unless we all want to die. And we don't. So we can
all benefit financially, spiritually, socially,
psychologically; it is technologically and
politically feasible to transform this game now and
everybody will benefit.
In 1977, I was at a meeting in Fairchild Industries
in a conference room called the War Room. In that
room were a lot of charts on the walls with enemies,
identified enemies. There were other more obscure
names, names like Saddam Hussein and Khadafi. But we
were talking then about terrorists, the potential
terrorists. No one had ever talked about this before
but this was the next stage after the Russians
against whom we were going to build these
space-based weapons. I stood up in this meeting and
I said, "Excuse me, why are we talking about these
potential enemies against whom we are going to build
space-based weapons if, in fact, we know that they
are not the enemy at this time?"
Well, they continued the conversation about how they
were going to antagonize these enemies and that at
some point, there was going to be a war in the Gulf,
a Gulf War. Now this is 1977, 1977! And they were
talking about creating a war in the Gulf Region when
there was 25 billion dollars in the space-based
weapons program that had yet to be identified. It
wasn't called the Strategic Defense Initiative, at
least. Not until 1983. This weapons system, then,
had obviously been going on for some time and I
didn't know anything about. So I stood up in this
meeting in 1977 and said, "I would like to know why
we are talking about space-based weapons against
these enemies. I would like to know more about this.
Would someone please tell me what this is about?"
Nobody answered. They just went on with this meeting
as though I hadn't said anything.
Suddenly, I stood up in the room and said, "If
nobody can tell me why you are planning a war in the
Gulf when there is a certain amount of money in a
budget so that you can create the next set of
weapons systems that will be the beginning of the
sell to the public about why we need space-based
weapons, then consider this: my resignation. And you
will not hear from me again!"
And nobody said a word, because they were planning a
war in the Gulf and it happened exactly as they
planned it, on time.
SG: Who was at this meeting?
CR: The room was filled with people in the revolving
door game. There were people that I had seen once in
a military uniform and other times in a gray suit
and an industry outfit. These people play a
revolving door game. They work as consultants,
industry people, and/or military and intelligence
people. They work in the industries and they revolve
themselves through these doors and right into
stood up in this meeting and asked if I was hearing
correctly. That when there was 25 billion dollars
expended in the space-based weapons budget, that
there was going to be a war in the Gulf, stimulated,
created, so that they could then sell the next phase
of weapons to the public and the decision-makers.
This war was going to be created so that they could
dump the old weapons and create a whole new set of
weapons. So I had to resign from that position. I
could no longer work in that industry.
In about 1990 I was sitting in my living room
looking at the money that had been spent on
space-based weapons research and development
programs and I realized that it had come to that
number, about 25 billion dollars, and I said to my
husband, "I am now going to stop everything. I am
now going to stop and sit and watch CNN television
and I am going to wait for the war to happen." My
husband said, "Well, you have finally gone over the
edge. You have flipped out."
Friends said, "You have really gone too far this
time. There is not going to be a war in the Gulf,
nobody is talking about a war in the Gulf."
said, "There is going to be a war in the Gulf. I am
going to sit here and wait for the war in the Gulf."
And it happened right on schedule.
As part of the war game in the Gulf, we in the
public were told that the United States was
successful in shooting down Russian Scud Missiles.
We were rationalizing new budgets based on that
success. In fact, we found out later, after the
budgets were approved for the next phase of weapons,
that it was a lie. We did not have successful
shoot-downs the way we were told. It was all a lie,
just to get more money put in the budget to make
was one of the first people to go independently to
Russia when I heard that they had "killer
[See the testimony of Dr Paul Czysz. SG]
When I went to Russia in the early 70's, I found out
that they didn't have killer satellites, that it was
a lie. In fact, the Russian leaders and people
wanted peace. They wanted to cooperate with the
United States and with the people of the world.
Another time I called Saddam Hussein when he was
lighting his oil fields on fire. My husband was in
the kitchen while I was making this phone call. I
got a call back from his First Attaché with Saddam
Hussein nearby and he asked, "Are you a reporter?
Are you an agent?
Why do you want to know?"
said, "No. I am just a citizen who helped to start
the movement to prevent the weaponization of outer
space and I have found that a lot of stories that I
have been told about weapons systems and the enemies
are not true. I wanted to find out what would
satisfy Saddam Hussein so he would stop making these
oil fields catch fire and stop antagonizing people."
He said, "Well, nobody has ever asked him that
question, what he wants."
So, when I hear that there is a possible threat of
extraterrestrials-and I look at the history of
thousands of years of possible ET visitations, and
hear the disclosures of honest
military-intelligence- industry people who have had
experiences with UFO's, with crashes and landings,
with live and dead bodies of extraterrestrial
beings-I know it is a lie. And if I am ever told
that these are enemies against whom we have to build
space-based weapons systems, based on my own
personal experience of having worked in the military
industrial complex on weapons systems and military
strategy, I am going to know it is a lie.
It is a lie.
Not only will I not believe it, but I am going to go
out as loudly as I can and tell everyone to take a
look. They [the ET's] have not taken us away yet. We
are still here after thousands of years of visits.
If in fact they are still visiting us now and we
have not been harmed then we have to look at this as
something that is not a hostile occurrence.
It would be my hope and my intention to do
everything I could to work with people who are
working to communicate with and cooperate with these
extraterrestrial beings. They are clearly not
hostile. We are here. That is enough proof for me.
There is no limit to how people can choose to live
on this planet. We have a chance to do that and I
think that the window is closing rapidly. I don't
think that we have much time in which to make that
decision. We are too close in too many ways to
having some horrible disaster happen, having some
sort of war take place, whether it is from high
technology or an exotic weapons system.
We need leadership and it has to start with the
United States President and that is who we all have
to reach. If you are international, if you are
around the world, if you are in the United States of
America, whether you are from any party, any belief
system or religion- the United States Commander in
Chief, the President of the United States is the
person that needs to be reached.
We need to say that we want an ultimate,
comprehensive, verifiable ban on all space-based