As I documented in my series which is going on now,
part three is on today, so if you want to go to Arctic Beacon and
get that, and it's talking about Svali, who was a member of the
Illuminati, the Family, the Order. She is with us as our guest
today, and after this break we're going to find out the whole story from beginning to end about
Svali's involvement, and then about how she decided to get out
and what she's doing now. And I might add, it's a great thing
what she's doing now, alerting people and also helping many,
many people in America understand exactly what this group is all
So anyway, we'll be back with Svali on the
Investigative Journal. I'm your host, Greg Szymanski.
[commercial break - resume 8:30]
GS: Okay, we're back. It's eight minutes after
the hour, and we're going to get deep inside the Illuminati, the
Family, the Order. We have a guest who was involved with this
group, born into it, for over thirty years. Her name is Svali.
Svali, are you with us?
SV: Uh, yes I am.
GS: Well, it's nice to have you here. I know you
don't give radio interviews, and I really want to thank you,
because I think it really does help the American people
understand about this secret organization that you were born
into. So I guess we can just start from the beginning. Tell us -
right from the beginning you were born into this, from wealthy
parents. Tell us about your training in this group when you were
a young child and then up until your orientation at the Vatican.
SV: (surprised, laughing) Well, that's a pretty
broad area, Greg! That could take hours, if you know what I
GS: Yes, but do it, you know, if you could just
outline it for us.
SV: Yeah. I mean, I was born in the group, I was
born in Germany, and came to the US very young. I basically went
through all the training that the group... all members of the
group do undergo training to various degrees, depending on the
By the time I was a teenager, I was a youth
leader, and by the time I was 22, I became the youngest member
of Leadership Council in San Diego County . At that time I was a
head trainer. I was the sixth trainer and eventually moved up to
the second position.
GS: Mm hm.
SV: When I was twelve, I had mentioned with you
the ceremony at the Vatican...
SV: ...that they really do make all leadership in
the group undergo at some point.
GS: Now basically when you were growing up, I
remember you told me that you were instilled at a young age. You
were born to a very wealthy, well-to-do family.
GS: You moved back to the States. You were told
at a very young age you were special, you were "chosen."
SV: Well, they tell everyone in the group that
they are special and chosen, and that's one of the things that
made me very cynical when I was older. You will never meet a
person who is an Illuminati who has not been told or programmed
for years that they're special, they're the only one that can do
things for quote-unquote "Family".
But I was told, yes, I would do great things for
Family one day. The reason why I can filter some of this with an
objective view is that I know what my role in the group was. It
was over quite a significant number of other people. So I don't
evaluate my role or specialness within the group so much by what
I was told, but by what I did.
(regretful downturn in voice on "what I did")
GS: So you reached the age of 12, and then you're
told by your parents you're going to an induction ceremony in
GS: Can you tell us how that happened and what
occurred at that ceremony when you went there?
SV: (deep breath, voice becomes stressed) Okay.
Um, this isn't easy to talk about, as you know.
When I was twelve, I was flown over to Germany.
And I was at, I'll call them the German Fathers' house, over
there. And, there was some preparation for a few days,
beforehand, and I was told that there would be a very important
ceremony. And it was considered a sealing ceremony at that
point. And basically I was told a little bit about what I was
expected to do during the ceremony.
When we got there, we went through the Vatican.
Underneath the Vatican there is a large room that I described to
you when we talked before. It has 13 catacomb chambers leading
into it. And what they do is as you go down these steps into the
room, you can see that it's circular, so they're all rounded.
They bring out the mummies from the catacombs. And they set them
beside each one [each of the 13 catacomb chambers], and they say
"That's the spirit of the Fathers watching over the ceremony."
During the ceremony, there was a large table in
the center of the room. It was on top of this huge golden
pentagram. They had a ceremony there.
GS: So how many kids, how many other children
were with you being inducted into the Family or the Order, as
they call it?
SV: There were two other children at that point.
But there were several adults too.
SV: See, the Church also brings in adults to
swear their allegiance, too, just so you know. I was told, and I
don't know if this is true, that if you want to rise to a
certain position within the Catholic Church hierarchy, you do
have to go through that ceremony as well.
GS: Okay, so you're down in this room. Your
parents weren't present.
SV: No. No. The German Father and the French
GS: Okay, and at that point tell our listeners
what you witnessed.
SV: (pause, additional voice stress) Well, there
was a table. It looked like dark glass in the center of the
room. It was made out of a stone, but it was very shiny and
darkened black. It may have been something like obsidian or
onyx, I'm not sure. This was the only time I've seen stone like
Around the corners it had these gold channels
that, you know, collect fluids. A little boy was placed in the
center of the table and drugged. I think he was drugged, because
he was very quiet. He didn't move or say anything.
GS: This was a little three or four-year-old boy,
SV: Yes. Yeah. Yeah.
GS: Then they continued to do a child sacrifice.
SV: Yes, they did. Yes. I told you about that
GS: Now afterwards, quite, what an unbelievable
experience for a youth, a 12-year-old. What went through your
mind when that happened?
SV: I was terrified! I mean, I was absolutely horrified. I...
I... I... I can't describe the terror you feel when you go
through something like that.
GS: And do you remember the words they were
saying as this was going on?
SV: (pause) The man was in scarlet - he was
speaking in Latin. And basically he was saying, "Please accept
the sacrifice on this day." And then he said, "This sacrifice
will seal the ceremony." And then he did it.
Again, I was so terrified that... (sighs) Have
you ever been in a situation where your heart's racing, but you
can't do anything? You're just kind of sitting there, and you're
kind of fading in and out?
GS: Well, I can remember as a youth being
frightened, but I don't think I've ever...
SV: (crosstalk) No. All right.
GS:... had anything quite like what you've had.
SV: Imagine your heart rate going up to about
220. You can't move. You're kind of shaking, but you're trying
not to show it.
GS: Mm hm.
SV: It was horrible. Actually, I keep thinking
inside, "I can't wait 'till it's over. I can't wait." You don't
say this, but inside you're just saying over and over, "I can't
wait 'till this is over. I can't wait 'till this is over. I
can't wait 'till it's over."
GS: Mm hm.
SV: Afterwards, the man in scarlet, he had a huge
golden ring on his hand. He came over to the center of the room.
Each of the people that were swearing that day had to go forward
and kneel before him and kiss his ring, and swear my allegiance
to the New Order, to the New World Order for all... until my
GS: Hm. Now at that point you were escorted out.
SV: Yes. Yeah. After the ceremony was all over. I
mean, the other people also did theirs as well. They had to
swear their allegiance too.
GS: And they were the same age as you?
SV: The two children were, but there were also
three adults that went forward and did the same. And afterwards,
we were told, (slowly and precisely): "May the same to you or
worse occur should you ever break this oath."
GS: Hm. So it's basically... whew! Imagine at
that age, what [this would do]. And you weren't really prepped
for this, were you? You were told there was a ceremony, but you
didn't expect anything like this, from what I've gathered
talking to you.
SV: It was very difficult to go through, just
because the sense of horrific oppression down there was the
worst I've [ever felt.] I've gone through some ceremonies in my
life in the Illuminati, you do go through them. But I have to
say that in my experience this was the worst, just because... I
can't explain the amount of darkness in that room. It was just
pure evil. And unless you've ever been in a... seen a person...
it was just horrible.
It wasn't just what happened, but just... I mean,
the oppression. And I'm a Christian now, and I know the
difference between when there is evil present - oppression - or
when God's love is present, which is joy and peace. That's the
exact opposite of what there was in that room.
GS: Now you know what I find quite interesting
about this? About 25 years ago, I was a reporter and a freelance
writer in Rome, and I spent six years there. I walked through
the Vatican many, many times... hundreds of times. I covered the
papal addresses, things like that.
During that time I was there during a Vatican
scandal, which involved the Church bank and other things...
members of the Illuminati, the Freemasons. I was approached by a
woman, Maria Vendital (ph), and I'll never forget this. Rome's a
small town. People knew I was covering stories about the secret
societies, things like that. I had to ask people.
Well, this woman came up to me and told me
similar stories. She wasn't quite as specific because she
couldn't handle it without breaking out crying, and tried to
commit suicide twice because she couldn't get out of the
Illuminati. She was a member, born into it from a very wealthy
northern Italian family. She told me basically the same ceremony
took place with her.
And so, when I started talking to you, I wanted
to relay that to you, and also to relay to my listeners that I
also heard about this, 25 years ago, from a woman by the name of
Maria, and several other people in Italy that I talked to. I was
never able to locate or really, probably for my own safety, ever
find out what happened.
But again, Svali's corroborating a story that I
heard about 25 years ago. We'll get back after the break with
this incredible story of a member who is now out of the
Illuminati, out of the group and safe, on the Republic
[commercial break - Resume at 23:15]
GS: Okay, we're back on the Investigative
Journal. I'm your host, Greg Szymanski. We're talking to Svali,
a member of the Family, the Order, the Illuminati, for thirty
Svali, you leave the induction ceremony. You walk
out into the Vatican courtyard with one of the fathers, I
believe. What did he tell you then?
SV: At that point he just told me to never
forget. He told me that I had performed well during the ceremony
because I didn't scream or pass out or anything like that. He
said "You did very well," and he was pleased. Then we stayed at
a home nearby. It must have been a local person. I didn't know
them. We spent the night there before we went back to Germany.
GS: Okay, and what about the other people during
the ceremony. How did they handle themselves? Do you remember?
SV: (sighs) I'm going to say, unfortunately, I
was so... when you're in that kind of situation, the last thing
you're thinking about sometimes is what the other people are
doing. (Laughs) I was just so trying not to lose it myself. I do
know that no one screamed or shouted or anything like that.
Everyone was quiet. I think to say 'dead silence,' is, unless
the person was spoken to, true - or unless they had to go
forward and kiss the ring.
GS: All right, let's move on. I think we've,
GS: A question I've wanted to ask you, and this
is such a wide subject. I've had a chance to talk to you for a
number of days, and I've done some stories about it.
You go back home, you're twelve years old. You
say you were schooled in the twelve disciplines.
[12 disciplines, from Svali's online book:
1. To not need. 2. To not want. 3. To not wish.
4. Survival of the fittest. 5. The code of silence. 6. Betrayal
is the greatest good. 7. Not caring. 8. Time travel: "
The child will be taught spiritual
principles of "traveling" both internally and externally, with
set ups, role playing, and guided exercises reinforced with
trauma. The goal will be to reach "enlightenment", an ecstatic
state of dissociation reached after severe trauma."
9,10,11: "Sexual trauma, learning to dissociate
and increase cognition, decrease feeling." (Details of these 3
steps vary according to child's future role in the cult. These
roles include Informers, Breeders, Prostitutes, Pornography,
Media personnel, Preparers, Readers, Cutters, Chanters, High
Priest/Priestess, Trainers, Punishers, Trackers, Teachers, Child
Care, Couriers, Commanding Officers and Behavioral Scientists.)
12. Coming of age ceremony (Vatican underground
GS: So your life begins, and you know now you're
in some type of organization that is very different than what
most people experience. Tell us... I guess what I want to do is
leave it open to you to begin. You've written so in-depth on
this story. I'm just going to give you the microphone and let
you begin. Tell the listeners what you think is important about
your original training, about the group and about many things
that I know people want to know about the Illuminati. Go ahead.
SV: Okay. Well Greg, first I want to say that my
purpose in talking about this is not to glorify evil. There are
very wicked people out there, very powerful people. I don't want
to at all magnify their power, but I do want people to know that
this is real. These people exist. People who say there are
people out there that are involved in these activities... it
I also, because I know that there are children
being hurt in the group every day, and that's my motivation for
I don't like giving interviews for obvious
reasons. I am willing this one time to lay aside my privacy and
personal safety because these people need to be stopped. They
need to be stopped.
GS: Okay. SV: Okay? GS: Go ahead.
SV: Normally children in the group are born into
it. The Illuminati very rarely does outside recruitment. That's
not their main method. It's just passed down generally,
generationally from father to son, and mother to daughters to
children. And so the whole family line has been in it.
Throughout the centuries people have tried to
escape, but a lot of times they were either poisoned, murdered
or set up to look like a suicide. They don't like it when people
leave, and they try to make it very difficult - simply because
it looks bad. (slight laugh)
They go through an enormous amount of training,
from the time they are an infant. You undergo indoctrination.
And when I say indoctrination, I don't just mean like cult
programming so much as watching your parents and seeing what
My parents modeled their behavior. To them the
group was very important for growing up. I saw that three times
a week, everything was dropped to tend to the activities. Okay?
SV: Basically the training process is designed to
help you take on your adult role in the group. The Illuminati
cover so many levels there too. It goes all the way from what
most people think of as a satanic coven type thing, at the very
low local level, all the way through... it's a huge, enormous
At the mid-levels, you have people overseeing
finances and administration, who are overseeing... I mean, these
people are making a LOT of money through gun running, through
white slavery, prostitution, pornography. They have links and
ties to the Mafia, left and right. And, in fact the mafia are
afraid of them. (Laughs)
SV: Yeah. (Laughs): Well, think about it! Because
they know that you don't cross the members of the group. They
have a very spiritual orientation. They are not satanic, though;
they are Luciferian, which is different.
The ultimate goal of their spiritual philosophy
and their sense of discipline is they believe that should you
complete all of your training, you become a god. That is their
actual end goal. They believe in the achievement of Godhood - of
Illuminist philosophy - through what they call Enlightenment, or
Illumination, which is how they got their name.
GS: Mm hm.
SV: They are international. In Europe there are
twelve fathers who sit, who represent the different nations of
Europe. They are very expectantly awaiting He Who Is To Come,
and during that ceremony in the Vatican, (bumper music starts)
on my knees I had to swear my allegiance to serve He Who Is To
Come. They believe that the coven...
GS: Svali, can you, uh, I have to take a break.
GS: We'll continue with the massive organization,
your role as a mid-level person in the Illuminati on the
Republic Broadcasting Network.
[commercial break - resume 33:27]
GS: Okay, we're back on the Investigative
Journal, and I'm talking with Svali. Svali, why don't we just
pick it right up where we left off at the break. You were
telling us about this hierarchy that starts with twelve fathers.
Can you just run that down for us so people know exactly how
this group is organized?
SV: Sure. At the top levels, it's in Rome. That's
the power center or the heart of the Illuminati, where the power
base is. And that's why all leadership must swear fealty in
Rome, because that's considered the core of, the spiritual
center of the Universe. That's how they view it.
From there, in Europe there are twelve fathers -
one for each country in Europe. When I was younger I had to also
meet with the fathers at one point and kiss the ring, and go
through another ceremony of allegiance to them as well.
In the Illuminati, the European Fathers rule over
what are called the different houses. For instance, if you are
from Germany then you belong to the German House, if you are
from France you belong to the French House - they call them
Houses. UK, Russia, Poland, Belgium, Spain, Italy and others.
From there, America was considered a mission
field for them. In the 17, actually in the 1600s, Pittsburgh
became the first port of entry for them. That's where they first
settled. That's why it's still considered a spiritual power base
for the group on the East Coast in the US.
GS: You know, I did want to mention one thing. A
caller / listener / reader of your stories sent me an email, and
said, "Greg, check into the reason why President Bush, right
after being elected, went into and talked to a Masonic group
there." I found that quite interesting.
SV: Oh yeah.
GS: Go ahead.
SV: It's the spiritual power base for the group.
From there, it spread out across the Atlantic seaboard, and then
throughout the nation. The nation is divided into many regions,
multiple regions but seven main regions. The East Coast region
has its spiritual power base in Pittsburgh, but the
administrative power base is in Alexandria, Virginia. That's
where they administer the finances during the day to day
The West Coast, or the West region, west of the
Mississippi, has its power base in the San Diego area.
GS: And that's where you spent a lot of time,
SV: Yeah. Yes. I was sent from, the Alexandria
Council sent me to San Diego to help them out.
GS: Okay, go ahead.
SV: Those are the two, of course, main regions.
And then each of those regions are divided into sub-regions.
So then you have your Regional Councils sitting
over those, and overseeing activities. If you can think of the
structure of a large multinational corporation, that's really
how the Illuminati is structured. Then beneath each of the
regional councils are your local councils. They call them sister
groups or sisters, or your local councils. Then you have your
local groups under those as well, or what they call the sister
Any major metropolitan city could have anywhere
from five to fifteen groups, depending on the size of the
population base. Or more.
GS: Now you were saying that, how many people are
in this group in America now, from your estimate, of knowing a
lot of this stuff? Go ahead...
SV: Pure Illuminati, I would say about one
percent, give or take, based on population.
GS: So it's a fairly huge... big organization,
GS: Now their goal, basically. Just give us the
broad overview goal, and then I want to get into some of these,
you know, your role in it, and some of these ways that the
Illuminati makes money that you learned about.
GS: Go ahead.
SV: You know, when you say "To rule the world,"
it almost sounds laughable - like "yeah, right", you know. I
think people get ideas of thinking or wanting to rule the world.
But really, that is their goal. They believe that they are the
intelligent leaders, and they believe that the rest of the world
are sheep that need wise... They see themselves as wise
leadership. So they believe that their goal is to rule the
GS: Mm hm.
SV: But at the same time, they have occult ways
of doing that. Their main way of doing that is behind the
scenes. They believe in infiltration of the media, of education
and of government - those are the three areas - and of the
financial system. And they have successfully done quite a bit of
all four throughout Europe and the US, as well as other
GS: Now you said that they, basically the
Illuminati is divided into about six or seven groups, and
everyone is born into a group. Could you outline what those
SV: Well no, it's all one group, there are just
GS: Yeah, that's what I mean. Like the Sciences,
the Government, or...
SV: Oh. Oh. Okay. The Illuminati is divided into
different branches of learning. These branches include Sciences,
Military, Government, Leadership, Scholarship and Spiritual.
Those are the six branches of learning. And while all children
need to undergo some training or teaching in each area, as they
get older... They begin profiling you from infancy, and they
know where your activities and abilities are. Then you're, you
really go into... Most people specialize in one branch or
possibly two branches of learning.
GS: And you were involved in what branch?
SV: I was heavily involved in Sciences, and also
to some degree I did some Spiritual as well - but mainly
GS: Just to backtrack one minute, these twelve
disciplines. As a child, you were rigorously trained in this,
GS: Okay. And what were those disciplines?
[1. To not need. 2. To not want. 3. To not wish.
4. Survival of the fittest. 5. The code of silence. 6. Betrayal
is the greatest good. 7. Not caring. 8. Time travel. 9,10,11:
Sexual trauma, learning to dissociate and increase cognition,
decrease feeling - details of these 3 steps vary according to
child's future role in the cult. 12. Coming of age ceremony
(Vatican underground sacrifice).]
GS: I mean, if... You don't have to go through
each one of them, but what primarily were you taught?
SV: (pause) I think the best way would be to give
you an example of just one type of training that they do.
SV: I was two years old. I was left in a room for
probably a 24-hour period. When you are that age it is hard to
estimate, but it was a long time. I know that the sun did go
around (laughs) at least once, and it wasn't just like a few
At that age, when you are two and you are left
alone without food and water, you are terrified. And at the end
of the time, I was just dying of thirst. My morale was just... I
have never been so thirsty in my entire life.
My mother walked into the room. A lot of times
they have the children, you know, or the parents train the
children at these early ages. There was a table in the middle of
the room and I was sitting at it. She brings in this cold
pitcher of water and she starts pouring it. I said, "Mom! I want
a drink of water," and she slapped me out of the chair. (pause)
SV: And I remember crying! And as I'm crying,
she's drinking the water in front of me, and she leaves! She
takes the pitcher of water. And a couple of hours later, she
came back in and did the same thing. And I said, "Mom, Mom, I
want water!" And she slapped me! I mean, across the room.
After this had happened about three times,
luckily I was bright enough that by the third time she came in,
I mean, I remember crying silently, but I just looked at her. I
After she got up and left with the pitcher, a man
came into the room. He said, "You did very well that time." And
then he gave me a drink of water.
SV: That was part of the "learning not to want"
stage. Looking back on it, I realize now as an adult that the
part of that training was to teach me not to recognize my own
physiological needs and respond to them, but to look to outside
people to tell me what I wanted or needed. Which is what...
GS: Now you basically, you told me you led a dual
life in the Illuminati. That's basically how they function.
SV: Oh yeah!
GS: You have a day job, and then at nighttime
you're quite busy sometimes with the cult activities, correct?
GS: Okay. What I wanted to get into... you were
talking about these groups. I remember I mentioned to you, you
said you had these meetings three times a week. I said, "Well,
what about if I wanted to go and visit, and maybe do a story
about them?" What would happen, or how could... would I be able
to find one of these meetings that were going on, in your area
SV: Well no, because of the security measures.
And A), you really don't want to show up unannounced at a
meeting if you could get through their security, because the
chances are you would never make it out alive. Let's just say
that a certain auto accident would occur, and be reported in the
papers: "Unfortunate accident - man accidentally runs into
tree." (Laughs) I mean, I'm serious!
The security that they have during group meetings
is so intense that it would be very difficult. They have
security at the one-mile perimeter, the three-mile perimeter and
the five-mile perimeter. They have three people assigned.
Usually one is up in a tree where you can't see him at the
GS: Mm hm.
SV: And then you have one person who is standing,
looks like a security guard for the estate, because these are
often large, wealthy estates, which is appropriate. He is
dressed in a uniform. The third person is standing hidden behind
a tree. As cars come through, and they come through the gates -
remember these are gated estates.
GS: Mm hm.
SV: So if it's not someone on their approved
license checklist, they will stop the car. It's just like at a
military installation. They will say, "Can I help you? Are you
lost?" Their goal is to delay the person. Now if a person is
saying, "Oh, this is blah blah blah," and they are just asking
for directions, they will give them directions, be very pleasant
and send them on their way, to where they are supposed to be
But if they are acting as if they want to go
further into the estate, and this is not an okay person, then
they will say, "Uh, all right, well HE'S NOT EXPECTING YOU."
That's a code word. That tells the person either behind, up in
the tree, or hidden further back - they radio ahead and they say
At that point, everyone has been trained to pick
up and leave immediately, within five minutes - with no traces
of the activity.
GS: So this is some of the methods they go
through so you don't get caught. I know that you wrote an
article about why the cult doesn't get caught.
SV: Oh yeah.
GS: It's pretty specific. You have so much stuff
here, and we can't get into it all in two hours, so please pick
and choose what you think is most important. But I find that to
be interesting - why the cult doesn't get caught. Is there
anything in just a brief time you could explain to us... that?
SV: Well, their security, their money, their
influence. Some of these people even own newspapers. Imagine
trying to get a (laughs) article published, you know,
disclosing... There's a lot of reasons why they don't get
caught. That's the first thing people ask.
Then my next question is, "Well, how many child
pornographers are there out there, that the police have been
chasing for years, and have never found or caught?"
SV: And they're not even members of a secret
organization. They're just trying to hide, you know. So when you
GS: Now you...
GS: Yeah. You were a mid-level person in this
organization, a head trainer. We're going to get into those
specifics in the next hour. But you know, what did you learn
about the infiltration of this group into all our different
areas of government and media? They are basically at the high
levels of most of our financial institutions also, correct?
GS: And that is a great way to pursue their goal.
I guess I've got to ask you this. How come things are moving a
little bit faster in America now? I remember back in the 80s
when I was confronted with this, when I came back home I didn't
really see this kind of New World Order movement... all this
different symbolism that you see now. What is going on, just for
our listeners, right now? Why are things stepped up since 9-11?
SV: I believe it's because they can see the
fulfillment of their goal... See, I'm going to sound very
cynical now, and please forgive me for this, okay? Their goal is
to rule the world, and personally I believe that they do - it's
just not open yet.
GS: Mm hm.
SV: And they say they're now preparing people for
when they disclose themselves openly. Does that mean that they
can't be stopped? I believe they could. I believe it would take
a miracle, because of the amount of infiltration I see at all
levels of society, and the world. These guys, these people have
a lot of money. They have a lot of influence. And your average
person has no idea of how much is going on behind the scenes
that no one understands.
But, with that said, I think that they're already
there, they just aren't open. These people just don't know where
they're going! (Laughs) If they did, I think the average person
would be horrified to know how much is going on behind the
scenes that people really don't know.
GS: Yeah, and the point of this interview, one, I
had two goals...
SV: But... But you see, I don't want to sound
disparaging, because I am also a strong Christian. I have faith
in God, and I believe through prayer, and through people
knowing... I mean, I would like them to be stopped. I just don't
know, at this point, how do you take on the financial
institutions of the world, the major oil enterprises of the
world, you know? (Laughs) That's the question! (Laughs) You
GS: Yeah! You know, it is a difficult question.
Now you're in the mid-level of this group. You worked your way
up to a head trainer, correct?
SV: Yeah... Yeah.
GS: Now what did you learn... Before we get into
specifics, you outline some in of your writings, the big
money-making... the ways this group makes its money. Can you go
over and outline some of those methods?
SV: Again, if you can think of an illegal
activity, they're probably involved at some point. Maybe not
overtly, at the point of where the actual money is first shaking
hands - but when you have child pornography, prostitution, white
slavery, gun running, gambling, then at some point where the
money is changing hands, buffered by about four layers of
people, there's going to probably be someone from the Illuminati
involved at that point. These guys have their fingers in
GS: Go ahead.
SV: But they also use legitimate means. They
launder their money. When you have a lot of money, you have to
do something with it. And so, these men don't come in and say,
"Hi! I'm a member of the Illuminati and I want to run your
bank." What they'll do is they'll quietly come in and become a
quiet investor, start buying up shares. And over a period of
maybe, almost a lifetime, they will get a controlling interest
in the bank, or become a very... you know. Or maybe in their
That's the other thing about the Illuminati. The
Illuminati do not see it as "This is what must happen now, in my
lifetime." These people have goals that last for centuries, for
two centuries. They are very, very patient.
GS: And that's why the specific training of the
children is so important, correct?
SV: Yes. It's to teach you PATIENCE. Everyone
knows, growing up in the group, we may not see the coming order
disclosed or open or revealed in our lifetime, but our children
or our grandchildren may. So they will spend their entire life
trying to bring about the goals of the organization.
GS: (Chuckles) Hm. Incredible. So now you're in
the mid-level. I can see now where they used these programming
techniques, the different mind control techniques. We have a
minute before the break. Just kind of whet our interests about
how you... what your specific role was.
SV: Well, they did a lot of what you might call
human experimentation. And they had a lot of research protocols
going on. So one thing I did was to supervise the research going
on. I was teaching the younger trainers and head trainers how to
do things more efficiently, how to do their job well, but also
reviewing their research reports for errors or problems.
Eventually I became kind of a consultant. If a
problem occurred, or they didn't know how to install something,
or if they needed assistance, I would help them with problem
solving as well.
GS: Okay, Svali, I'm going to have to take a
break. We'll be back in three minutes. We'll continue, on
Republic Broadcasting Network.
[commercial break - resume 54:24]
GS: Okay, we're back on the Investigative
Journal. I've got a short four minute segment here, then we'll
take a break and come back with Svali for a whole [additional]
hour. We're talking about jobs in the Illuminati, the practical
daily jobs that these members of this group, who are infiltrated
in America heavily... what they do. Now one thing I find
interesting, Svali, knowing the media... I'm not going to name
names or anything, because I don't have any specific
information. But I find it interesting.
Doing some background checks on a lot of the top
media people in our country, they all come from these very
wealthy families. (Laughs) Now that's not the typical MO for a
journalist. A journalist is somebody who grows up on the street,
wants to talk to people, I can think of Jimmy Breslin, guys who
never went to college, didn't know how to type, and just got in
there, took their tie off and started writing stories.
But you know, as you look at the media now, there
are all these silver spoon kids - growing up with silver spoons.
I find that quite interesting. How deeply infiltrated, from your
knowledge, are they in our media?
SV: Wow. Pretty... I do know, uh, fairly deeply.
I remember that when I was in San Diego on Leadership Council
during meetings, they would laugh about how people had no idea
of how much they were being influenced and didn't even know it.
They found that kind of amusing, which is... I mean, that's the
mindset of people in the group, though. They're like, "The sheep
have no idea that they're being led by the hand."
And they find it amusing, because they show it as
evidence of... I mean, I'm just describing what they say, I
don't agree with it now, but they saw as evidence of the
stupidity of the m... of the average person - that they have no
I'm not saying that every news story or every
newscaster is a member of the group... by no means. But, they
specifically do teach and train and educate children that show
an aptitude for the media, because they want that. And if the
person has a bright, charismatic personality, and presents well,
then that child will go into that, if they have their verbal
communication and other skills required.
GS: Well, you know, that could explain why a lot
of our stories really never get covered, outside of the
influence they have financially and the ownership of the media.
SV: (crosstalk) That's absolutely not by
GS: What's that?
SV: Not at all a coincidence.
GS: Yes. That's a good idea, folks, why you're
not getting the news from those outlets. Not only in our
government. It explains a lot of things. Look at the war in
Iraq. Look at the evidence there that shows what is wrong. Look
at what they're doing in Iran right now. I mean, it's
incredible. All this stuff is pretty obvious, people. There's
something behind it. Svali is here trying to explain this
organization from her knowledge, and it is quite, quite a story.
I know this idea. You were involved as a trainer
of mind programming? I mean, this is just, I'm looking at some
of the chapters in a book you have yet to publish [in paper book
form]. We're talking about brainwave, color control, metal,
jewel programming, programming link to stories and movies... I
mean, it goes into suicidal programming.
In just a minute here before our break, can you
kind of break down what you learned about the importance, well,
oh! We've got to take a break, Svali, sorry. We're going to do
that quickly, then we'll get back to you. We're talking to
Svali, regarding her role as a head trainer in the Illuminati,
the American Illuminati. We'll be back, on the Republic
Broadcasting Network, in two minutes.
[END OF FIRST HOUR]
GS: Okay, we're back on the Republic Broadcasting
Network. One more hour. We're talking to Svali, and she was a
head trainer in the Illuminati.
Svali, what type of programming do they actually
teach you, and how do you learn these different techniques?
SV: Well, you're taught from childhood on. My
training in how to be a programmer started very young. I was
mentored by another programmer at the age of 5, by a doctor at
George Washington University. Not only did he do the programming
on me, but also taught me how to do it to others. The types of
programming... again, that could be a whole ten-hour segment to
go into depth. From the time a child is an infant, all through
their life basically, they are tested, they are profiled.
Trainers can create a psychological profile, and then they
update it frequently.
Basically, they are trying to install in this
child the ability to obey, loyalty to the group, and the ability
to do their job within the group.
Now those jobs vary in complexity. You may have
on one side a child trained to be a prostitute. On the other end
you may have a child trained to become a governmental figure,
which is a lot more complex programming.
But as long as the loyalty to the group is
instilled, and that is the first and foremost programming always
installed, then no matter what their eventual role is, they will
remain loyal. And that becomes their first loyalty. Whatever
nation, whatever their public role in life is, their first and
foremost loyalty will be to the group, and to serve its goals -
whether they know.
A lot of times, the goal is [also] to be able to
help the child create that complete division between their day
role and their night role. So a pleasant, charming, wonderful,
kind person in the daytime could be an absolutely cold, ruthless
person at night - or during the day, you know, it's also during
the day they do it.
Then you may have a housewife with children who
goes out and completes a courier job for the group. And no one
would ever suspect her. Who is going to suspect [that] this
lovely-looking little housewife with a baby in a car seat is
actually carrying some valuable documents?
Again, the first and foremost other thing was to
instill loyalty, and they want to discourage people from
questioning orders. They really don't want you questioning that,
and they want you to obey their directives. Should people show
signs of not doing that, then they go on for tune-ups. Actually
people are being programmed all through their life. We used to
call them tune-ups. It's a lifelong process for members of the
GS: We have a minute here before our break, and
we'll get back and get in depth into some of these areas. But
what went wrong with you? I mean, the dropout rate probably is
SV: Extremely low. (laughs)
GS: ...considering the number of, considering the
training. But what went wrong with you? They somehow missed
SV: When I was very young I absolutely believed
in the goals of [the group]. You never saw a more loyal group
member. I thought that they were saving the world. I thought
that we were doing a wonderful thing. But the older I got, I
started to see the methods that were being used for so long, and
that the ends do not justify the means. I became increasingly
cynical, partly because I saw what I was doing to people. I was
lying to them. I was manipulating them. I was telling them
things that weren't true. I remember questioning this, thinking,
"I was told lies as a child too, then. I was manipulated."
SV: And finally you start to question, as an
adult, the things you were taught. (bumper music starts)
GS: Okay. We're going to take a break, Svali,
we'll be back in three minutes on the Republic Broadcasting
[commercial break - resume 8:27]
GS: Okay, we're back on the Investigative
Journal. Svali, I wanted to ask you a question. Before we get
into how you finally left the group, and what happened to you
afterwards in your life now - tell us. You wrote an article that
is very interesting - A Day in the Life of a Trainer for the
Illuminati. Tell us what you went through in a normal day in
your role at the Illuminati. Go ahead.
SV: Okay. Basically I would get up. At the time
that I described in that article, I was teaching at a Christian
school. And so I would get up, I would get my two children
dressed and ready for school. Just like a normal mom, you know,
go through the day, come home. We'd have little friends over and
play, and stuff like that. Then, you know, have dinner. I was a
good mom. I was your average American housewife - on the
But underneath the surface, then my husband and I
would remind each other on nights when there was a meeting. And
then what we would do is when we would go to sleep, I had
programming in place that would allow me to wake up within ten
minutes of the specified time. If I knew there was a meeting
that night, I would wake up ten minutes before it was time to
get ready and go. A lot of times we would even go to bed with
our clothes on. And I never really thought that was abnormal,
GS: Mm hm.
SV: I thought everyone went to bed with their
clothes on. I didn't even question it, you know, on nights when
we had meetings. I thought, "Oh, it's warmer." (Laughs)
SV: And then we'd get up and go, and drive to the
meeting. I was also very involved in Military in San Diego. In
fact the group has a lot of military orientation. So on top I
would take the kids to their area, there was an area where the
kids would go and change. They had a room and we would have like
baskets of clothes, and we would change our clothing. You'd pick
out your clothing, it had your name on it, and put on your
uniform. Or whatever you wore that night. The kids would wear
these little miniature military uniforms.
Then they would go out and do their training
exercises. They were learning how to march, how to shoot. All
kids in the Illuminati, at least in that area, know how to take
apart a gun, put it together and shoot with deadly accuracy by
the age of eight years old. Martial arts, there's a lot of
martial arts training. Sometimes I'd help supervise that, or
fill in if there's a military trainer [who] was [absent].
Everyone had to be - there was a lot of cross training. But most
of the time I supervised the training. I would be working on
implementing programming, or what we'd call tuning up -
reinforcing previously installed programming in adults.
At that point I was normally supervising the
younger trainers. They would be doing it, and I would be there
watching and making sure they did it correctly. Or I would be
also evaluating whether - sometimes every once in a while we'd
be working on something that was somewhat experimental, and then
I would be taking a more active role, assessing the person's
responses to the new protocol, recording it and if there was any
difference between established parameters for that protocol or
expected responses, I would be flagging that.
GS: Give me an example of someone you were
working on. What... how would they be introduced, what would be
the reason? Would they be military, what is, how does someone
get sent to you?
SV: No, these were all members of the group!
GS: Oh, okay.
SV: Oh! I can tell you that in San Diego, twenty
percent of the active members of the group were active military.
SV: Okay? And think of military intelligence.
Think high-ranking officials, colonels, (laughs), commanders. My
ex-husband was a lieutenant commander in the Navy, getting ready
to become a commander, okay?
GS: All right.
SV: These are not stupid people.
GS: So you were basically working on the
programming of the members involved.
SV: (crosstalk) Yes. Oh yeah. Yeah.
No, we didn't program people who were not members
of the group. You CANNOT install significantly traumatic
mind-control programming in a person who is not a member of the
GS: (crosstalk) Good.
SV: Now there are certain... what you can do is
what we call passive programming, which is basically through
media means. If someone's watching a television program, they go
immediately into alpha state. Everyone in the group, even a baby
in the group knows that, because these people are very much into
behavioral psychology. That's a trance state, almost, a very
relaxed state where messages can be implemented.
And that's why I very strongly suggest people be
very careful about the TV shows they watch! That's all I will
say about that.
But no, you cannot take an adult who is not a
member of the group and do what we did to them. They would go
psychotic, or they wouldn't survive it, probably. They wouldn't
be able to psychologically handle it.
GS: Tell us some examples of what you were doing.
SV: (sighs) Sometimes, (sigh) it would involve,
normally we would start with a hypnotic induction or even
sometimes we would inject a medication. A lot of times
especially young children have a lot of fear when they are going
into programming, but adults do too. We want them to relax. We
give them a very short-acting medication to relax them.
We would then invoke a hypnotic state in them. If
it was an older person I would be checking that the codes are
already installed. If I was getting ready to install programming
in like a young child, I would tell them, explain to them very
patiently exactly the behavior expected. I'd say, "I want you to
do this, and this, and this." I break it up into steps. Then I'd
say, "First we're going to practice this."
I would show the child what I want them to do - I
would model it. I would then tell the child, "DO IT." The child
would then do it, okay? But, normally they won't do it well the
first time, so she would... she or he would get shocked. That
was called, because the group very much uses what they call
positive and negative reinforcement. Okay?
If a child did not do it perfectly the first
time, they are shocked. That's the negative reinforcement.
Then I would say, "DO IT AGAIN." They would show
me the behavior.
Now at this point we start associating the
behavior with an external stimulus or cue, too. Now a lot of
times a child... If this is a behavior, though, that we want
associated with a specific code, the child will often then
traumatize very heavily first, to create a fragmentation in
their personality. Then the behavior and the associated cue are
You might hear a tone, like "ding ding ding." [I
say,] "All right, I want you to do this." Ding ding ding. The
child hears the tone, they get up and they do the behavior. Once
they can perform it perfectly, they are rewarded with praise.
Good job, or a hug. Children like hugs, or something like that.
Then you do it over, and over, and over. That's
why trainers have to be very patient people. Because then maybe
after the child has done it fifty times, then they hear the cue,
they get up, [and] they do it. It's not even a conscious
[decision]... it's reflexive. At that point it's considered
For very, very important programming, I'm talking
about like end-level assassin programming, because we did train
people how to assassinate people, and that's a whole other topic
I don't want to go into here...
SV: We would then do a ritual to seal the
GS: (Final-sounding) Okay.
GS: Just something, I was looking at some of your
articles. One was "Christmas in the Cult." Just to get off on a
different subject here...
GS: You say this is quite different for you, when
you were growing up, than it is for most children. Can you just
kind of briefly tell us what you meant by that?
SV: Yeah, um... (sighs) I mean, we had trees and
presents and things like that. But for most children, Christmas
is just happy time, you know, lots of presents. But in the
group, there are some very high ceremonies that are celebrated.
Several times, in fact many times, I flew into Germany. And
there, there wasn't a Santa Claus. They had a figure called
GS: (crosstalk) Mm hm.
SV: ...who represents Christmas there. But he is
not the kind of benevolent Santa that you see here. This is a
man with a golden scepter dressed in a white robe and a golden
I was once at the German Father's house, where
there was a gathering with children and adults, and Father Yule
was present. He raises the scepter and basically strikes down a
child in front of everyone.
GS: (laughs in disbelief) Oh my God!
SV: I know!
GS: (shocked) He strikes down a CHILD? I just...
SV: I know. Yes. He struck down the child with
his, his scepter. And that... that is not what you call a happy
Christmas, you know?
GS: No. (sighs)
SV: And at the same time, yes, we did have a
tree, you know, and fruitcake and all that, and decorate the
house, but there is another side to Christmas. It's, it's...
GS: (in shock) You know, I'm just listening and I
just can't believe, you know, we're, you know, we have leaders
in our country that have probably gone through this kind of
stuff. I mean, uh, it's just incredible, this group. I know
they've been around for a long, long time, thousands of years,
and gone through it, came here. George Washington was a 33
rd degree Mason...
SV: (crosstalk,) Oh, YEAH!
GS: ...and we go on. Uh, the quest... you know, I
just, I want you to understand, just from my point of view, I
just wonder how... you know, you write a story, "The End of the
Illuminati." How do we get rid of these people? I know, you're
out of it. You couldn't take it any more. You think we can
inspire more mid-level people to just LEAVE, like you, so they
have no one to DO this kind of INSIDIOUS... CRAZY... PROGRAMMING
and lifestyle! What do you - what do you think?
SV: Well, I believe that, as strongly as a
Christian, that it's a spiritual warfare as well as an emotional
and psychological warfare. I believe that, by the grace of God.
But I will also say that when I was in the group,
a lot of the members are not happy. You have people in the group
that are there because they love it, because they believe in our
goals, they are totally dedicated. But to be honest, a lot... I
often knew as many people who would have left in a minute if
they thought that they could get out, and make it.
GS: You know, about your husband, uh, just to
break in and then go back into that. Do they marry you to
somebody in the group, or is that forced on you?
SV: (crosstalk) Yeah. Yeah. No. In the group, the
marriages are always arranged, in my experience. In my 38 years
in the group, I never knew of a couple, in the Illuminati, that
did not have an arranged marriage. It can't be...
GS: (crosstalk) You just mentioned a couple that
I, I suspect. Clinton and uh, Bill and Hillary.
SV: Oh, well, YEAH! (Laughs)
SV: YES! Definite. Definite.
GS: Yes. Bill?
GS: Go ahead.
SV: Yeah. A lot of times, these marriages are
arranged for compatibility, but also for bloodlines - to bring
the right bloodlines together.
GS: Okay, good. We're going to be back in three
minutes. I want to continue this, and then we're going to get
into Svali's life after the Illuminati, on the Republic
[commercial break - resume 23:17]
GS: Okay, we're back on the Investigative
Journal. I'm your host, Greg Szymanski. And let me tell you, as
an interviewer, and someone who has researched the Illuminati
for a long time... it started way back when, when I was a young
reporter in Rome...
It's a whole different ballgame when you're
actually talking to someone with experiences like this. It takes
it out of that realm of what is quasi-fiction fact, into the
realm of reality. It's - it's really shocking.
And, uh, I'll be honest with you. This is a
story, uh, that folks, you have to listen to - because this is
going on in our country. All the things you're seeing regarding
our rights being taken away, the police state, the war in Iraq,
9/11 - all these things have to do with this powerful group.
Svali, you know, we're talking about mid-level
people. Now we're going to talk about some of the lower-level
people. I'm interested in who they are. But you said they
weren't happy, but a lot of them probably stay because it's
very... I mean, this is a... it's a very lucrative way to live,
SV: Oh, yeah!
SV: Oh, yeah! That's the main thing, that's one
of the factors that keeps people in. The reason more people
don't leave is because leaving means giving up your husband,
your children, your entire family on both sides, your money. And
basically, for a lot of people, leaving the group means giving
up everything, and starting out penniless and alone.
Not only that, but you're combating child
programming to recontact, to go back, to be loyal, to be a good
GS: Mm hm.
SV: And I know many people have tried to leave
and went back, because they just couldn't take it.
GS: Do you, uh, do you want to take a phone call
right now? Break it up?
GS: Okay. Marilyn, in California. You're on the
Investigative Journal. Marilyn?
Marilyn (ML): Yes, I've been a part of this. I
lost part of it, I've been listening on the Internet. I didn't
quite catch it. How did this woman become involved in this
GS: Uh, go ahead, can you explain that, Svali?
SV: I was taught it from early childhood. I was
mentored into it. Trainers in the group are mentored. You wok
with older adults and they show you, and you are given
increasing responsibility. And so by the time you are in your
teens, you are basically doing adult training responsibilities.
You've been taught for years.
ML: Your parents put you in it, or... ?
SV: Yes, they were members.
ML: Oh, I see, so it comes down through the
parents - one parent to another.
SV: Yeah. Or from both.
ML: (shocked) Are they private SCHOOLS?
SV: Through what?
ML: Are these private SCHOOLS?
SV: Well, my children were schooled at private
Christian schools. They were all Illuminati. (Laughs) Okay?
ML: (surprised, "Now I get it" voice tone) Oh,
you're saying that the CHRISTIAN schools are Illuminati!!
SV: SOME of them are. Not all - but some.
ML: Yeah, obviously.
SV: No, no. The ones that my children in were,
specifically. But no, there's a lot of good Christian schools
that have nothing to do with the group, but some can be. Now I
went to a public school, but what's interesting is, out of three
public schools I went to as a young child, two burned down.
(sadly): So there's no access to any school records.
ML: (completely shocked) I'll be DARNED.
GS: Marilyn, just to get you up to speed. You're
born into this, then you're trained as a young child. You go
through an induction ceremony in the Vatican. And this is going
on with one to two percent of our population, according to
Svali. Very serious, in all levels. Government, and everything
else. Go ahead, Marilyn, do you have another question?
ML: Yeah. When you said the Vatican, now that is
not a Christian religion, okay? Now I'm a Christian. Catholics
is a Christian religion, we look at them as the precursor of the
New World Religion. So...
GS: Well, you know, if I may just break in. I
grew up a Catholic. I don't get involved in the splicing of the
religions. I'm basically stating that when I started researching
the Illuminati as a reporter in Rome, and I realized there was a
bad portion of the Church, I looked at it. I had to deal with
the evil and the good. So that's the way I reconciled it. The
evil WITHIN the Catholic Church, at the high level of the
Vatican , which seeps down into many, many areas. Go ahead.
ML: Okay, well I won't argue that point.
SV: (crosstalk) Now... Now... Now...
ML: I won't agree with it, but it sounds like you
have become possibly Born AGAIN to get out of this? Would I be
correct in that?
SV: Yes. Yes. Now I very much... Now first, I do
want to say I am not slamming the Catholic Church or the average
Catholic. I have many good friends that are Catholics, that are
strong Christians. I became a Christian, and that was the only
way I could get out. But just so you know, too, a lot of
card-carrying Illuminists, well we don't really carry cards, but
I'm using that term...
SV: ...are members of the Baptist church, are
members of Pentecostal churches. It... This... I was on a
worship team for a Wesleyan church in San Diego ... in my day
ML: Oo-kay. Uh, yeah. Very, very confused. I
mean, I, uh, I think this is interesting. Many people say that
the Catholic Church will be the forerunner of the New World
Religion. There's some very good books out. In fact, I think you
may have interviewed one of these men - the Grand Plan Design by
GS: Uh huh.
ML: You remember that?
SV: But, but...
GS: Go ahead.
SV: The average Catholic has no idea of what's
going on in the Vatican.
ML: Yeah, yeah. I think that's interesting that,
that the average Catholic would not know what's going on. That's
just my take on it. (laughs)
GS: Well, I'll tell you something. As an average
Catholic going to Rome my first time in 1980, I didn't know what
was going on, and I grew up as a Catholic, went to Notre Dame
High School. It was quite a learning experience for me.
ML: I think the Catholics, when they find out how
evil the church is, stay in it! I mean, they really... why would
they want to stay in it? That's what bothers me. I know some
good people who are like that. And I don't get it! (Laughs)
GS: Well, the only answer is... it doesn't...
(bumper music starts) (laughs) I don't know. There are many
Catholics who aren't actively practicing.
ML: Yeah. Thank you!
GS: But anyway, we'll leave that for another
time. Thanks, Marilyn. We'll be back on the Investigative
Journal in three minutes, with Svali.
[commercial break - resume 33:20]
GS: Okay! Uh, you know, they're not going to get
me. That's for sure. My house is anti-Illuminated. It's not
going to happen, folks. Just to end that, Svali, before I get
back to you, just to end that conversation we had with Marilyn
about Catholicism. I look back at it, and I really thank my dad.
And I do it in kind of a way, I'm just thinking about it now. I
didn't know what the Church was about.
But you know, something strange did happen when I
was young. My mom died, and I was ten years old. My brother was
six months old at the time she died of leukemia. It was a very,
very tragic affair - left my dad and me and my brother alone.
And I remember my dad literally took a priest, a head Monsignor
in our parish. And I won't even tell you where. Saint John
Rebove (ph), right outside of Chicago.
This man came into our house, I'll never forget
it. He said that he was going to put ME and my little BROTHER in
an ORPHANAGE. My dad literally picked him up and threw him out
the door! Literally.
GS: And from that point on, my dad never went
back to church again. My brother never went to a Catholic
school. I of course asked if I could finish, only because I had
friends there. But you know, who knows what would have happened,
you know, looking back on the craziness that goes on in the
But anyway, Svali, you were talking about, uh,
you know something? These people that are too... that do not
want to get out because of the financial ties. But let's go back
to when you were in the Illuminati. How did this happen? How did
you finally leave? Tell us this whole story about you leaving
the Illuminati. We haven't touched on that yet.
SV: Sure. Well, I do want to say one thing that I
agree with Marilyn on. Without faith in God, I couldn't have
done it. I became a Christian, and that was for me
revolutionary. It made me question again more of what I was
being taught, or had believed all my life. I, for the... I began
to realize that what I was doing was wrong. I became
I also then started standing up to the head
trainer in the county who despised me. He would do things that
were just blatantly cruel for no reason whatsoever. I'd say,
"You're wrong". Well, people don't like that. (Laughs)
He took it out on me in a lot of horrible ways. I
finally made the decision to run. I ran to this... to another
state, because I knew that my chances of getting out while still
staying in that area with people I knew, surrounded by people
who were in the group, was not going to be very good. So I went
to another state.
GS: You had to leave your family and everything,
SV: Everything. Well, my children were with their
grandparents. At that point I thought that was better than them
being with my husband. I was going to go get my kids. But my
husband then called and he said, "I want to reunite with you."
And I said, "Okay, that's wonderful." And I said, "But you have
to get help. You have to get some treatment, because we can't go
on. You've got to get out of the group." He said, "Okay. Help me
get the kids and I'll meet you in a week."
So the day before, he called and said, "I'll be
there tomorrow," blah blah blah. And so I was excited, thinking,
"Oh, he's getting out, he's getting out, that's wonderful!"
Instead, he went... he had gotten the kids several days before.
He was lying to me, and I didn't know it. He had gone to a
And the day that he was supposed to arrive, there
was a knock on my door. It was a policeman serving me DIVORCE
papers, and also a restraining order, saying that I could not
come within a hundred yards of my husband or my children.
And at that point, I felt slightly punished
(sigh) for leaving the group.
I fought that, and it... (sighs) I fought for
four years with a court system that said things like this didn't
occur, because my husband would go into court and say, "This
woman is psychotic. She's making it all up. There's no way. Ha,
ha, ha. This stuff doesn't happen in this day and age." And the
judge would say, "You're right." Slam. Full custody to their
father. And I had to have supervised visitation for four years
with my own children, so that... because I was considered a
Through a lot of prayer, I had my whole church
praying for me here in Texas, and through Lambley Research and
miracles, my children were finally allowed unsupervised
visitation with me, after four years. During that time, I said
to my daughter, who was fourteen, I said, "I want so badly for
you to get out". And she looks at me, and she starts going...
(hyperventilating, extremely terrified): "Oh! You
shouldn't have said that, Mom! You shouldn't have said that,
Mom!" You know? She just... she just freaked out. She just
totally lost it.
GS: Mm hm.
And I realized that it was her programming
cycling, because she was just terrified. You know, she's like,
(terrified, very rapid): "Why did you say that, why did you say
that", and I said, "It's okay, it's okay, honey, calm down,
And the following... she was just shaking and
shaking. And then finally she said, "Well, I don't want to go
back and get hurt." And then I said, "YOU DON'T HAVE TO."
And at that point I faced several prison
sentences, but I called my ex and I said, "I will face... I will
not let those children go back and get hurt again."
SV: And he flew out to get them, and he could
have put me in prison at that time, because I was breaking the
custody visitation. And you know how strong the courts are on
GS: Mm hm.
SV: And I said to him, "Please... Look." Because
it was so nice. My daughter and son both said, "We don't want to
go back, Dad. We don't want to get hurt. We don't want to do
He looked at them, and he said, "I want to go
think about it." He went home, and I was praying for him at the
And then that night he called me, and he said,
(delirious, hyperventilating): "Oh my God. Oh my God." I said,
"What is it?" He said, "We've gotta get out! We've gotta get
out!" (Laughs) And I said, "YES! You do!" And then he said...
and then he made the decision to get out.
At that point he went to a Notary Public. He gave
me... he did a legal case document giving me full custody of my
children. And then he said he was so sorry for, he put me
through, the H, E, L, L he had put me through for years.
GS: Now, have you had any reprisals from people
in the group since you were leaving, or any warnings?
GS: To keep quiet, or anything like that?
SV: (crosstalk) Yes. Oh, yeah! Oh... yeah, of
course! There's one time when I did write one article that named
some specific dates and times. I got hurt afterwards, and it
made me very cautious. That's why I don't give a lot of radio
interviews, and why I don't do a lot of this. That's one reason
GS: Well, I appreciate this, because you know,
the number of people you're going to help, by... maybe, maybe
waking up the American people to what is really going on.
Sometimes you can wake up many more people by a person like you,
than talking about a hundred million different generalities.
Let me take a call. Chris, in Washington, you're
on the Investigative Journal.
CH: (calm, relaxed cadence): Hi. Svali, I just
want to say how much I appreciate your bravery, in presenting
this information in the way that you are. I've read your website
recently. And my question is very simple. Based on the
information that you're presenting, I'm wondering what timeline
the organization of the larger Family that you're describing has
for implementing the New World Order?
SV: Okay. I was told it would occur during my
generation. I was told that by the year 2050 that they would be
revealed. Now again, their timelines change, though. In fact, I
jokingly referred to them as being like the Soviet Union,
because you know how they had their five and ten year plans, and
then things always got changed? In my own lifetime I saw several
different timelines for things that were supposed to occur and
But as Greg noted, I've also heard of, from
different people, that actually there is a HUGE push in the last
few years. It's like, "It's CLOSE. It's CLOSE. Let's make things
happen more quickly."
CH: Mm hm.
SV: So I couldn't begin to guess whether that's
an accurate timeline or not. I know what I was told.
CH: I have a follow up question and that's it...
GS: Go ahead.
CH: ...and this will be it for me. I have
recently, against my own resistance to doing so, investigated,
started to investigate fringe matters, if you will. Among them,
the upcoming date on the Mayan Calendar of 2012.
SV: Uh huh.
CH: And as I've done this research, I've allowed
myself just to be open to this information without believing
anything I'm reading. One of the ideas that is presenting itself
is that around 2012, not just according to the Mayan Calendar
but many other theories out there, that we will be undergoing,
as a planet, a revolutionary shift, if you will, of some kind or
And I'm wondering in the back of my mind if there
might be any kind of race against the clock on THAT scale, if
you will - especially if we're talking about a potential
SV: Oh, yeah.
CH: ...using your words in play here. Do you see
a possible relation there?
SV: Yes, I do. And, 2012 IS an important year.
But again, I was not told that the final Revealing would occur
then. But I believe that probably... what will happen is that
there will be events taking place that will help to set the
SV: But it's going to be... I was told... again,
I'm telling you what I was told while a member of the group, so
please take it with a grain of salt. As I know, these people
aren't always honest or trustworthy - they are deceptive. But I
was told that there would be an enormous economic collapse prior
to the Revealing. That basically the stock market would
CH: Well, that appears to be already happening.
SV: Yeah. Yeah. And I was told it would make the
Great Depression look like Sunday school. And at that time, it's
going to... they're going to really be manipulating finances to
bring about chaos, confusion, warfare, and then...
But see, I don't like to be so negative. But I am
telling you what I was taught when I was in the group, you know?
CH: Well, I so appreciate it.
CH: And I'm sure we all do.
SV: Yeah. I...
CH: You're a great voice.
SV: Well, thank you! I appreciate that very much.
But out of this chaos they said would come order. You see, the
group believes that out of chaos comes order.
CH: Well, I don't want to take any more time...
GS: (crosstalk) Well, as far as I'm concerned,
I'd rather, you know, let things... Svali, these guys want to
bring down this country financially, in whatever way possible.
And right now, your voice is important in that.
And Chris, I really appreciate you saying that,
because we want to stop these guys! I mean, come on! Let's get
the American people to get together and just put an end to this.
We have a powerful group in numbers. We may not have the money,
but we can take it back. And I don't want to be bullied by these
kind of people. That's my feeling.
GS: Let me take another call. Uh, Harper in
Canada. Harper? Go ahead.
HP: Great, thanks Greg. And Svali, I read your
expose when it came out on
few years ago, and I always wondered what happened to you,
because you vanished from Suite 101. So it's great to hear about
you. A couple quick questions, I'll make them real fast. First
is the term Moriah Conquering Wind. I'd never heard that before
or since I read it in your expose. I wondered if you could
elaborate on that term a little bit.
I also wanted to ask you if this cult, as far as
you know, claims to or believes to derive any of its heritage
from Atlantis or any other lost civilization. Okay?
SV: I'm not sure about the reference to Moriah
(pronounced like "Mariah" Carey) you're describing, because
Moriah is... is our name.
But I certainly can address the second question.
The Illuminati completely believe that Atlantis is real. They
teach it to their children as part of the oral history. They
believe that it was one of the greatest civilizations that ever
existed, and one of the most advanced.
What they teach... their take on it is that
Atlantis was a great race of highly intelligent people who had a
highly advanced faith, and who were highly enlightened.
But what they teach the Illuminati children is
that then this prophet of the enemy, who was a prophet of God,
came and foretold their destruction if they didn't change their
They were definitely Occultists. They were
Luciferians on Atlantis. That was the religion. And in fact, a
lot of the advances that Atlantis enjoyed was passed down to
them through supernatural means... that is what I will say.
So they laughed at the prophet. In fact they
killed him. And, he... I guess sometime afterward, we were
taught that a few inhabitants escaped, but that tragically the
great city was lost.
The Illuminati to this day mourn the loss of
Atlantis, because they feel that these were... that the few
survivors that left were among the great people who helped found
the Free... what you would call the precursors of Illuminism.
HP: One more quick question, if I may.
GS: Go ahead.
HP: And I wanted to ask you if you have any
reason to believe that people, men and/or women at the top of
the pyramid, so to speak, practice a kind of magic where they
are kind of skipping through time, in other words...
SV: (excited crosstalk) Oh! Oh! YES! Oh, without
even being at the top... Oh, yes!
HP: ...their body leaving, their soul or spirit
leaving one body and coming and being born into another one, and
therefore, you know, living through time.
SV: (excited crosstalk) Oh yeah! Yeah! Oh, yes!
Yes, All the time. In fact, see, now this, now I didn't go there
in this interview. You start telling wackos, you start
discussing things like that. But in the spiritual side, they
very much teach things like time travel, traveling out of body,
you know, psychic battling, things like that - things that
cannot be explained by logic.
And I saw things that I cannot explain through
human intellect or reasoning, that were highly supernatural, and
involved all of that... and more.
[Svali has reported in 2-3 different articles
seeing a group of people levitate an animal and choke it to
death, though here she seems to refer to more than just that.]
HP: Okay, great. Pleasure to speak with you,
Ma'am, and God bless you.
SV: Okay, God bless you too.
GS: Okay, I think we have Dave Wilcox called in.
I think you know Dave through emails, Svali.
GS: Dave, uh, you want to say hello? And do you
have a question for Svali?
DW: Sure. Uh, Svali, it's great to have you on
the air, and I'm really glad you decided to do it. So thank you
SV: Oh thank you, Dave. It's good to talk with
DW: Yeah, I feel like you're an old friend. I've
been reading your stuff for so long, and you share so willingly
and openly about yourself. It's a real honor to be able to speak
with you in person like this.
SV: Well, thank you!
GS: All right, well Dave, you may have something
you want to say to Svali. Go ahead. You have a question?
DW: Sure. I think one of the things I'd really
like to have covered here is [this]. You shared with me in an
email recently about these stages of enlightenment that they try
to guide people through?
DW: I would like you to try to sketch out for
people how the behavioral conditioning that's coming through the
media, the movies and so forth might have affected them.
In other words, what personality characteristics
would you see in a person when they have been influenced by
these teachings? How would the average person, who is not really
a bad person, start to be leaning, if the Illuminati teachings
were actually having an effect on them? What would they be like?
What would start happening?
SV: Well, again, as I said, the average person is
not going to be a member of the group...
SV: ...so the influence would be much less. But
the media, I believe that... well, I KNOW. I don't believe, I
KNOW that some of the media that we're seeing nowadays is
specifically targeted towards teaching people their philosophy
or goals. All you have to do is watch the children's cartoons on
Saturday morning, and almost across the board you'll see
morphing, power battles, occult. And that's intentional.
Movies coming out. Basically, if a person is
being influenced by their teaching, that person will learn to
not trust their own instincts, their own feelings, their own
body, their own perceptions. They will be looking outside for
Second of all, they will be moving towards a
heavily occultic worldview - that leaning upon the occult is
heavily encouraged. All you have to do is watch Harry Potter!
(Pause - laughs) You know?
DW: Yeah, I mean, the whole idea that...
SV: (crosstalk) I mean, not to slam one of those
Potter movies, or the Matrix.
If you want to know pure Illuminist philosophy,
the Matrix shows it. Definitely. The entire philosophy.
DW: Oh yeah. Right down with Morpheus being
broken down with the injections, and they said that it's like
hacking a computer. (bumper music starts)
SV: Yeah! That's an excellent [example...]
GS: (crosstalk) Okay, let's take a break. We'll
come back with our final segment. A big finish on the
Investigative Journal, with Svali, on the Republic Broadcasting
[commercial break - resume 54:21]
GS: Okay, we're back with our final segment with
Svali. She's telling us about her experiences... thirty years
with this insidious group called the Illuminati, how deeply
penetrated and infiltrated they are in our culture and our
Svali, we talked about the higher levels, the
mid-levels you were involved in as a head trainer. How low do
they go? I said all along they're involved in gang stalking, the
MK-Ultra program, infiltrating truth organizations, infiltrating
groups that are trying to do good. How far down DO they go?
SV: Well, they go down to the sister group levels
I mentioned. The sister groups have anywhere from, usually
roughly around 30 members. And those are what a lot of people
would consider the... what you would consider the satanic cults,
with a high priest and priestess. That would be the local level,
the lower level.
But those people are also very active in their
community. And so, they WILL be involved in intricate
infiltrating activities when possible. Because to them, it's not
infiltrating... it's helping. They think they're helping the
group, or helping people by becoming a member and spreading the
GS: Let me squeeze in one more caller, Roger, a
faithful listener. Roger, you're on the Investigative Journal.
RG: Uh, yes. Thanks. I had so a big question and
so little time that maybe I'll just squeeze it in...
GS: We've got a couple minutes. Really try to
work it in, Roger.
RG: Yeah, uh, well, you will enjoy this first,
and that is that I recall when Charlotte Izerbie (ph) was here
on the local Clear Channel radio show. The host was, of course,
dismissive of an Illumi-Nazi agenda. It was great to hear
Charlotte say, "You're telling me? My own father was a
high-level"... and she, of course, was a first or second-fiddle
secretary at the department of Ed. And she said, "You're telling
me my own father on his deathbed was telling me, "You go get
'em, girl," and he was one of 'em."
RG: So that was great. Anyway, my question was
towards the philosophical / religious motivators, if you will,
which you have been dwelling on. I've been trying to form it up
into a more cohesive, integrated...
GS: Try to make it quick, we're running out of
time. Go ahead.
RG: Yeah. To expose the ethos of the, you know,
it's like the Neocons serve as the pseudo-intellectual rationale
for the Illumi-Nazi agenda. And I don't presume that it turns on
such fine distinctions, so much as it is a bare-knuckled lust
for power. But, everybody has sort of a worldview that they use
to justify their actions. And of course, it's a most
un-conservative, humanistic social engineering agenda on a far
Now you mentioned about these people, basically,
and it's as rare as hen teeth...
GS: Quick, Roger...
RG: ...yeah, to find somebody that's not
oxymoronically both a spiritualist and an occultist, and also a,
what do you call, a hardcore rationalist. Or maybe that's just
[a] Republican assumption, right?
GS: (slight laughing in delivery): I know there
was a question in there somewhere, Roger...
GS: But anyway, thanks for calling. Let me, I've
only got a minute. I've got to finish with Svali.
Svali, tell us in your own words, you've got
about a minute or two left here. You went forward, you came
forward, (bumper music begins) you're now living a life
completely away from them. What's your hopes of the future in
our country right now?
SV: My hope is that people will realize that this
is happening, and that they will start doing something about it
- that they will start looking at it. Now again, we're talking
about people who are mentally wealthy, but it won't be easy. But
if people could rise up in prayer, and just say, "THIS ISN'T
If people would become informed enough to learn
more about it, be aware they exist... and then, possibly, PRAY.
Pray that people will take action against the things that are
happening. Because these people...
GS: Okay, Svali, I'm...
SV: Okay. All right.
GS: We're all out of time. We're going to end on
that prayer. I really thank you for coming forward. You're very
courageous. We'll talk again, and I'll be back tomorrow on the
Investigative Journal. Same time, same place.
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