As I documented in my series which is going on now, part three is on today, so if you want to go to Arctic Beacon and get that, and it's talking about Svali, who was a member of the Illuminati, the Family, the Order. She is with us as our guest today, and after this break we're going to find out the whole story from beginning to end about Svali's involvement, and then about how she decided to get out and what she's doing now. And I might add, it's a great thing what she's doing now, alerting people and also helping many, many people in America understand exactly what this group is all about.

 

So anyway, we'll be back with Svali on the Investigative Journal. I'm your host, Greg Szymanski.

 

[commercial break - resume 8:30]

 

GS: Okay, we're back. It's eight minutes after the hour, and we're going to get deep inside the Illuminati, the Family, the Order. We have a guest who was involved with this group, born into it, for over thirty years. Her name is Svali. Svali, are you with us?

 

SV: Uh, yes I am.

 

GS: Well, it's nice to have you here. I know you don't give radio interviews, and I really want to thank you, because I think it really does help the American people understand about this secret organization that you were born into. So I guess we can just start from the beginning. Tell us - right from the beginning you were born into this, from wealthy parents. Tell us about your training in this group when you were a young child and then up until your orientation at the Vatican. Go ahead.

 

SV: (surprised, laughing) Well, that's a pretty broad area, Greg! That could take hours, if you know what I mean.

 

GS: Yes, but do it, you know, if you could just outline it for us.

 

SV: Yeah. I mean, I was born in the group, I was born in Germany, and came to the US very young. I basically went through all the training that the group... all members of the group do undergo training to various degrees, depending on the role.

 

By the time I was a teenager, I was a youth leader, and by the time I was 22, I became the youngest member of Leadership Council in San Diego County . At that time I was a head trainer. I was the sixth trainer and eventually moved up to the second position.

 

GS: Mm hm.

 

SV: When I was twelve, I had mentioned with you the ceremony at the Vatican...

 

GS: Right.

 

SV: ...that they really do make all leadership in the group undergo at some point.

 

GS: Now basically when you were growing up, I remember you told me that you were instilled at a young age. You were born to a very wealthy, well-to-do family.

 

SV: Yes.

 

GS: You moved back to the States. You were told at a very young age you were special, you were "chosen." Correct?

 

SV: Well, they tell everyone in the group that they are special and chosen, and that's one of the things that made me very cynical when I was older. You will never meet a person who is an Illuminati who has not been told or programmed for years that they're special, they're the only one that can do things for quote-unquote "Family".

 

But I was told, yes, I would do great things for Family one day. The reason why I can filter some of this with an objective view is that I know what my role in the group was. It was over quite a significant number of other people. So I don't evaluate my role or specialness within the group so much by what I was told, but by what I did.

 

(regretful downturn in voice on "what I did")

 

GS: So you reached the age of 12, and then you're told by your parents you're going to an induction ceremony in the Vatican.

 

SV: Yes.

 

GS: Can you tell us how that happened and what occurred at that ceremony when you went there?

 

SV: (deep breath, voice becomes stressed) Okay. Um, this isn't easy to talk about, as you know.

 

When I was twelve, I was flown over to Germany. And I was at, I'll call them the German Fathers' house, over there. And, there was some preparation for a few days, beforehand, and I was told that there would be a very important ceremony. And it was considered a sealing ceremony at that point. And basically I was told a little bit about what I was expected to do during the ceremony.

 

When we got there, we went through the Vatican. Underneath the Vatican there is a large room that I described to you when we talked before. It has 13 catacomb chambers leading into it. And what they do is as you go down these steps into the room, you can see that it's circular, so they're all rounded. They bring out the mummies from the catacombs. And they set them beside each one [each of the 13 catacomb chambers], and they say "That's the spirit of the Fathers watching over the ceremony."

 

During the ceremony, there was a large table in the center of the room. It was on top of this huge golden pentagram. They had a ceremony there.

 

GS: So how many kids, how many other children were with you being inducted into the Family or the Order, as they call it?

 

SV: There were two other children at that point. But there were several adults too.

 

GS: Okay.

 

SV: See, the Church also brings in adults to swear their allegiance, too, just so you know. I was told, and I don't know if this is true, that if you want to rise to a certain position within the Catholic Church hierarchy, you do have to go through that ceremony as well.

 

GS: Okay, so you're down in this room. Your parents weren't present.

 

SV: No. No. The German Father and the French Father were.

 

GS: Okay, and at that point tell our listeners what you witnessed.

 

SV: (pause, additional voice stress) Well, there was a table. It looked like dark glass in the center of the room. It was made out of a stone, but it was very shiny and darkened black. It may have been something like obsidian or onyx, I'm not sure. This was the only time I've seen stone like that.

 

Around the corners it had these gold channels that, you know, collect fluids. A little boy was placed in the center of the table and drugged. I think he was drugged, because he was very quiet. He didn't move or say anything.

 

GS: This was a little three or four-year-old boy, right?

 

SV: Yes. Yeah. Yeah.

 

GS: Then they continued to do a child sacrifice.

 

SV: Yes, they did. Yes. I told you about that before. Yeah.

 

GS: Now afterwards, quite, what an unbelievable experience for a youth, a 12-year-old. What went through your mind when that happened?

SV: I was terrified! I mean, I was absolutely horrified. I... I... I... I can't describe the terror you feel when you go through something like that.

 

GS: And do you remember the words they were saying as this was going on?

 

SV: (pause) The man was in scarlet - he was speaking in Latin. And basically he was saying, "Please accept the sacrifice on this day." And then he said, "This sacrifice will seal the ceremony." And then he did it.

 

Again, I was so terrified that... (sighs) Have you ever been in a situation where your heart's racing, but you can't do anything? You're just kind of sitting there, and you're kind of fading in and out?

 

GS: Well, I can remember as a youth being frightened, but I don't think I've ever...

 

SV: (crosstalk) No. All right.

 

GS:... had anything quite like what you've had.

 

SV: Imagine your heart rate going up to about 220. You can't move. You're kind of shaking, but you're trying not to show it.

 

GS: Mm hm.

 

SV: It was horrible. Actually, I keep thinking inside, "I can't wait 'till it's over. I can't wait." You don't say this, but inside you're just saying over and over, "I can't wait 'till this is over. I can't wait 'till this is over. I can't wait 'till it's over."

 

GS: Mm hm.

 

SV: Afterwards, the man in scarlet, he had a huge golden ring on his hand. He came over to the center of the room. Each of the people that were swearing that day had to go forward and kneel before him and kiss his ring, and swear my allegiance to the New Order, to the New World Order for all... until my death.

 

GS: Hm. Now at that point you were escorted out.

 

SV: Yes. Yeah. After the ceremony was all over. I mean, the other people also did theirs as well. They had to swear their allegiance too.

 

GS: And they were the same age as you?

 

SV: The two children were, but there were also three adults that went forward and did the same. And afterwards, we were told, (slowly and precisely): "May the same to you or worse occur should you ever break this oath."

 

GS: Hm. So it's basically... whew! Imagine at that age, what [this would do]. And you weren't really prepped for this, were you? You were told there was a ceremony, but you didn't expect anything like this, from what I've gathered talking to you.

 

SV: It was very difficult to go through, just because the sense of horrific oppression down there was the worst I've [ever felt.] I've gone through some ceremonies in my life in the Illuminati, you do go through them. But I have to say that in my experience this was the worst, just because... I can't explain the amount of darkness in that room. It was just pure evil. And unless you've ever been in a... seen a person... it was just horrible.

 

It wasn't just what happened, but just... I mean, the oppression. And I'm a Christian now, and I know the difference between when there is evil present - oppression - or when God's love is present, which is joy and peace. That's the exact opposite of what there was in that room.

 

GS: Now you know what I find quite interesting about this? About 25 years ago, I was a reporter and a freelance writer in Rome, and I spent six years there. I walked through the Vatican many, many times... hundreds of times. I covered the papal addresses, things like that.

 

During that time I was there during a Vatican scandal, which involved the Church bank and other things... members of the Illuminati, the Freemasons. I was approached by a woman, Maria Vendital (ph), and I'll never forget this. Rome's a small town. People knew I was covering stories about the secret societies, things like that. I had to ask people.

 

Well, this woman came up to me and told me similar stories. She wasn't quite as specific because she couldn't handle it without breaking out crying, and tried to commit suicide twice because she couldn't get out of the Illuminati. She was a member, born into it from a very wealthy northern Italian family. She told me basically the same ceremony took place with her.

 

And so, when I started talking to you, I wanted to relay that to you, and also to relay to my listeners that I also heard about this, 25 years ago, from a woman by the name of Maria, and several other people in Italy that I talked to. I was never able to locate or really, probably for my own safety, ever find out what happened.

 

But again, Svali's corroborating a story that I heard about 25 years ago. We'll get back after the break with this incredible story of a member who is now out of the Illuminati, out of the group and safe, on the Republic Broadcasting Network.

 

[commercial break - Resume at 23:15]

 

GS: Okay, we're back on the Investigative Journal. I'm your host, Greg Szymanski. We're talking to Svali, a member of the Family, the Order, the Illuminati, for thirty years.

 

Svali, you leave the induction ceremony. You walk out into the Vatican courtyard with one of the fathers, I believe. What did he tell you then?

 

SV: At that point he just told me to never forget. He told me that I had performed well during the ceremony because I didn't scream or pass out or anything like that. He said "You did very well," and he was pleased. Then we stayed at a home nearby. It must have been a local person. I didn't know them. We spent the night there before we went back to Germany.

 

GS: Okay, and what about the other people during the ceremony. How did they handle themselves? Do you remember?

 

SV: (sighs) I'm going to say, unfortunately, I was so... when you're in that kind of situation, the last thing you're thinking about sometimes is what the other people are doing. (Laughs) I was just so trying not to lose it myself. I do know that no one screamed or shouted or anything like that. Everyone was quiet. I think to say 'dead silence,' is, unless the person was spoken to, true - or unless they had to go forward and kiss the ring.

 

GS: All right, let's move on. I think we've, uh...

 

SV: Yeah.

 

GS: A question I've wanted to ask you, and this is such a wide subject. I've had a chance to talk to you for a number of days, and I've done some stories about it.

 

You go back home, you're twelve years old. You say you were schooled in the twelve disciplines.

 

SV: Yes.

 

[12 disciplines, from Svali's online book:

 

1. To not need. 2. To not want. 3. To not wish. 4. Survival of the fittest. 5. The code of silence. 6. Betrayal is the greatest good. 7. Not caring. 8. Time travel: " The child will be taught spiritual principles of "traveling" both internally and externally, with set ups, role playing, and guided exercises reinforced with trauma. The goal will be to reach "enlightenment", an ecstatic state of dissociation reached after severe trauma."

 

9,10,11: "Sexual trauma, learning to dissociate and increase cognition, decrease feeling." (Details of these 3 steps vary according to child's future role in the cult. These roles include Informers, Breeders, Prostitutes, Pornography, Media personnel, Preparers, Readers, Cutters, Chanters, High Priest/Priestess, Trainers, Punishers, Trackers, Teachers, Child Care, Couriers, Commanding Officers and Behavioral Scientists.)

 

12. Coming of age ceremony (Vatican underground sacrifice).]

 

GS: So your life begins, and you know now you're in some type of organization that is very different than what most people experience. Tell us... I guess what I want to do is leave it open to you to begin. You've written so in-depth on this story. I'm just going to give you the microphone and let you begin. Tell the listeners what you think is important about your original training, about the group and about many things that I know people want to know about the Illuminati. Go ahead.

 

SV: Okay. Well Greg, first I want to say that my purpose in talking about this is not to glorify evil. There are very wicked people out there, very powerful people. I don't want to at all magnify their power, but I do want people to know that this is real. These people exist. People who say there are people out there that are involved in these activities... it really happens.

 

I also, because I know that there are children being hurt in the group every day, and that's my motivation for coming forward.

 

I don't like giving interviews for obvious reasons. I am willing this one time to lay aside my privacy and personal safety because these people need to be stopped. They need to be stopped.

 

GS: Okay.  SV: Okay?  GS: Go ahead.

 

SV: Normally children in the group are born into it. The Illuminati very rarely does outside recruitment. That's not their main method. It's just passed down generally, generationally from father to son, and mother to daughters to children. And so the whole family line has been in it.

 

Throughout the centuries people have tried to escape, but a lot of times they were either poisoned, murdered or set up to look like a suicide. They don't like it when people leave, and they try to make it very difficult - simply because it looks bad. (slight laugh)

 

They go through an enormous amount of training, from the time they are an infant. You undergo indoctrination. And when I say indoctrination, I don't just mean like cult programming so much as watching your parents and seeing what they do.

 

My parents modeled their behavior. To them the group was very important for growing up. I saw that three times a week, everything was dropped to tend to the activities. Okay?

 

GS: Okay.

 

SV: Basically the training process is designed to help you take on your adult role in the group. The Illuminati cover so many levels there too. It goes all the way from what most people think of as a satanic coven type thing, at the very low local level, all the way through... it's a huge, enormous business corporation.

 

At the mid-levels, you have people overseeing finances and administration, who are overseeing... I mean, these people are making a LOT of money through gun running, through white slavery, prostitution, pornography. They have links and ties to the Mafia, left and right. And, in fact the mafia are afraid of them. (Laughs)

 

GS: Hm.

 

SV: Yeah. (Laughs): Well, think about it! Because they know that you don't cross the members of the group. They have a very spiritual orientation. They are not satanic, though; they are Luciferian, which is different.

 

The ultimate goal of their spiritual philosophy and their sense of discipline is they believe that should you complete all of your training, you become a god. That is their actual end goal. They believe in the achievement of Godhood - of Illuminist philosophy - through what they call Enlightenment, or Illumination, which is how they got their name.

 

GS: Mm hm.

 

SV: They are international. In Europe there are twelve fathers who sit, who represent the different nations of Europe. They are very expectantly awaiting He Who Is To Come, and during that ceremony in the Vatican, (bumper music starts) on my knees I had to swear my allegiance to serve He Who Is To Come. They believe that the coven...

 

GS: Svali, can you, uh, I have to take a break.

 

SV: Sure.

 

GS: We'll continue with the massive organization, your role as a mid-level person in the Illuminati on the Republic Broadcasting Network.

 

[commercial break - resume 33:27]

 

GS: Okay, we're back on the Investigative Journal, and I'm talking with Svali. Svali, why don't we just pick it right up where we left off at the break. You were telling us about this hierarchy that starts with twelve fathers. Can you just run that down for us so people know exactly how this group is organized?

 

SV: Sure. At the top levels, it's in Rome. That's the power center or the heart of the Illuminati, where the power base is. And that's why all leadership must swear fealty in Rome, because that's considered the core of, the spiritual center of the Universe. That's how they view it.

 

From there, in Europe there are twelve fathers - one for each country in Europe. When I was younger I had to also meet with the fathers at one point and kiss the ring, and go through another ceremony of allegiance to them as well.

 

In the Illuminati, the European Fathers rule over what are called the different houses. For instance, if you are from Germany then you belong to the German House, if you are from France you belong to the French House - they call them Houses. UK, Russia, Poland, Belgium, Spain, Italy and others.

 

From there, America was considered a mission field for them. In the 17, actually in the 1600s, Pittsburgh became the first port of entry for them. That's where they first settled. That's why it's still considered a spiritual power base for the group on the East Coast in the US.

 

GS: You know, I did want to mention one thing. A caller / listener / reader of your stories sent me an email, and said, "Greg, check into the reason why President Bush, right after being elected, went into and talked to a Masonic group there." I found that quite interesting.

 

SV: Oh yeah.

 

GS: Go ahead.

 

SV: It's the spiritual power base for the group. From there, it spread out across the Atlantic seaboard, and then throughout the nation. The nation is divided into many regions, multiple regions but seven main regions. The East Coast region has its spiritual power base in Pittsburgh, but the administrative power base is in Alexandria, Virginia. That's where they administer the finances during the day to day operations.

 

The West Coast, or the West region, west of the Mississippi, has its power base in the San Diego area.

 

GS: And that's where you spent a lot of time, correct?

 

SV: Yeah. Yes. I was sent from, the Alexandria Council sent me to San Diego to help them out.

 

GS: Okay, go ahead.

 

SV: Those are the two, of course, main regions. And then each of those regions are divided into sub-regions.

 

So then you have your Regional Councils sitting over those, and overseeing activities. If you can think of the structure of a large multinational corporation, that's really how the Illuminati is structured. Then beneath each of the regional councils are your local councils. They call them sister groups or sisters, or your local councils. Then you have your local groups under those as well, or what they call the sister groups.

 

Any major metropolitan city could have anywhere from five to fifteen groups, depending on the size of the population base. Or more.

 

GS: Now you were saying that, how many people are in this group in America now, from your estimate, of knowing a lot of this stuff? Go ahead...

 

SV: Pure Illuminati, I would say about one percent, give or take, based on population.

 

GS: So it's a fairly huge... big organization, correct?

 

SV: Yes.

 

GS: Now their goal, basically. Just give us the broad overview goal, and then I want to get into some of these, you know, your role in it, and some of these ways that the Illuminati makes money that you learned about.

 

SV: Yeah.

 

GS: Go ahead.

 

SV: You know, when you say "To rule the world," it almost sounds laughable - like "yeah, right", you know. I think people get ideas of thinking or wanting to rule the world. But really, that is their goal. They believe that they are the intelligent leaders, and they believe that the rest of the world are sheep that need wise... They see themselves as wise leadership. So they believe that their goal is to rule the world.

 

GS: Mm hm.

 

SV: But at the same time, they have occult ways of doing that. Their main way of doing that is behind the scenes. They believe in infiltration of the media, of education and of government - those are the three areas - and of the financial system. And they have successfully done quite a bit of all four throughout Europe and the US, as well as other countries.

 

GS: Now you said that they, basically the Illuminati is divided into about six or seven groups, and everyone is born into a group. Could you outline what those groups are?

 

SV: Well no, it's all one group, there are just different levels.

 

GS: Yeah, that's what I mean. Like the Sciences, the Government, or...

 

SV: Oh. Oh. Okay. The Illuminati is divided into different branches of learning. These branches include Sciences, Military, Government, Leadership, Scholarship and Spiritual. Those are the six branches of learning. And while all children need to undergo some training or teaching in each area, as they get older... They begin profiling you from infancy, and they know where your activities and abilities are. Then you're, you really go into... Most people specialize in one branch or possibly two branches of learning.

 

GS: And you were involved in what branch?

 

SV: I was heavily involved in Sciences, and also to some degree I did some Spiritual as well - but mainly Sciences.

 

GS: Just to backtrack one minute, these twelve disciplines. As a child, you were rigorously trained in this, correct?

 

SV: Yes.

 

GS: Okay. And what were those disciplines?

 

[1. To not need. 2. To not want. 3. To not wish. 4. Survival of the fittest. 5. The code of silence. 6. Betrayal is the greatest good. 7. Not caring. 8. Time travel. 9,10,11: Sexual trauma, learning to dissociate and increase cognition, decrease feeling - details of these 3 steps vary according to child's future role in the cult. 12. Coming of age ceremony (Vatican underground sacrifice).]

 

GS: I mean, if... You don't have to go through each one of them, but what primarily were you taught?

 

SV: (pause) I think the best way would be to give you an example of just one type of training that they do.

 

GS: Okay.

 

SV: I was two years old. I was left in a room for probably a 24-hour period. When you are that age it is hard to estimate, but it was a long time. I know that the sun did go around (laughs) at least once, and it wasn't just like a few hours.

 

At that age, when you are two and you are left alone without food and water, you are terrified. And at the end of the time, I was just dying of thirst. My morale was just... I have never been so thirsty in my entire life.

 

My mother walked into the room. A lot of times they have the children, you know, or the parents train the children at these early ages. There was a table in the middle of the room and I was sitting at it. She brings in this cold pitcher of water and she starts pouring it. I said, "Mom! I want a drink of water," and she slapped me out of the chair. (pause)

 

GS: Hm.

 

SV: And I remember crying! And as I'm crying, she's drinking the water in front of me, and she leaves! She takes the pitcher of water. And a couple of hours later, she came back in and did the same thing. And I said, "Mom, Mom, I want water!" And she slapped me! I mean, across the room.

 

After this had happened about three times, luckily I was bright enough that by the third time she came in, I mean, I remember crying silently, but I just looked at her. I didn't ask.