do you know that your bloodline
deserves to lead and the rest
deserve to follow?
Wealth and power
is self-propagating therefore I say
to you that your bloodline only
comprises the 'extreme elite' of the
world because your ancestors came to
power by chance in the beginning,
not because your kind are special.
In fact, there's nothing special,
clever or honourable in enslaving
HH: It is not about 'deserving' or
not. Does one 'deserve' to be born
English, or American, or Italian, or
French, or German, and so on? We
came not to power by 'chance', but
rather, (which I know may be hard to
swallow) by intelligent design. This
path of ours was not 'chosen' by us,
but rather it was appointed, and
ATS: Who is your "creator"
and is your "creator" the same as
HH: This is an excellent question,
which I can use to draw our
communication closer to the 'Core'.
Yes and no. You would first need to
understand the Creation.
In the Beginning, there is The
Infinite One. This is the Source of
All. Intelligent Infinity. It is the
undifferentiated absolute. Within
It, is unlimited potential, waiting
to 'become'. Think of it as the "uncarved
block" of your Taoist traditions.
Infinite Intelligence, becoming
'aware' of Itself, seeks to
experience Itself, and The One
Infinite Creator is 'born', or
'manifest' (This appears to your 3rd
Density comprehension as "Space").
In effect, the 'Creator', is a point
of focused Infinite Consciousness or
awareness, into Infinite Intelligent
Energy. The One Infinite Creator
also becoming self aware, seeks too
to experience Itself as Creator, and
in so doing, begins the next step
down in the Creational spiral. The
One Infinite Creator, in focusing
It's Infinite Intelligence, becomes
Intelligent Energy (which you could
call the Great Central Sun),
and divides Itself into smaller
portions of Itself, that can then in
turn experience themselves as
Creators (or Central Suns). In other
words, each Central Sun (or
Creator) is a 'step down' in
Conscious awareness (or distortion)
from the Original 'thought' of
Creation. So "In the
beginning" was not "The Word", but
Thought. The Word, is thought
expressed and made manifest as
There is Unity. Unity is All
there is. Infinite Intelligence, and
Infinite Energy. The two are One,
and within them, is the potental for
all Creation. This state of
Consciousness could be termed as
Infinite Intelligence does not
recognize it's 'potential'. It is
the undifferentiated absolute. But
Infinite Energy recognizes the
potential of 'becoming' all things,
in order to bring any desired
experience into 'being'.
Intelligent Infinity can be likened
to the central 'Heartbeat' of Life,
and Infinite Energy as the Spiritual
'Life-blood' (or potential) which
'pumps out' for the Creator to form
This image may assist your
Creation is based upon the 'Three
Primary Distortions of The Infinite
1). Free Will:
In the first Law (or distortion) of
Creation, the Creator receives the
Free Will to know and experience
Itself as an individuated though
(paradoxically) unified aspect of
In the second Law of Creation, the
initial distortion of Free Will,
becomes a focus point of awareness
known as Logos, or 'Love' (or The
Word in biblical terms). Love, or
Logos, using It's Infinite
Intelligent Energy, then takes on
the role of co-creating a vast array
of physical illusions ('thought
forms') or Densities (which some
call Dimensions) in which
according to It's Intelligent
design, will best offer the range of
'potential' experiences in which It
can know Itself.
In effect, the One Infinite Creator,
in dividing Itself into Logos, could
be termed in your 3rd Density
understanding as a 'Universal
Creator'. In other words, Logos,
creates on a Universal level of
Being. Logos creates physical
Universes, in which It and the
Creator may experience theirself.
("Let there be Light")
To manifest this Infinite spiritual
or 'Life-Force' Energy into a
physical thought form of Densities,
Logos creates the third distortion,
of Light. From the three original
Primary distortions of The One into
making the Creation, arise myriad
hierarchies of other
sub-distortions, containing their
own specific paradoxes. The goal of
the Game is to enter into these in
further divions of Creation, and
then seek to harmonize the
Polarities, in order to once again
know Oneself as the Creator of them.
The nature of all such physically
manifest Energy, is Light. Wherever
thus exists any form of physical
'matter', there is Light, or Divine
Intelligent Energy at it's Core or
Something which is Infinite cannot
be 'other than', or 'many', An
Infinite Creator knows only Unity.
Thus, drawing upon It's Infinite
Intelligence, the Infinite Creator
designed a blueprint based on the
finite principles of Free Will of
Awareness and sub-level Creations,
which in turn, could become aware of
themselves, and seek to experience
themselves as Creators. And so the
"Russian Doll" style experiment was
'stepped down' and down and down.
Levels of Creation within levels of
The One Infinite Creator (or
Great Central Sun) steps down
It's Infinite Energy to become
Logos. Logos in turn designs vast
Universes of Space (as yet
unmaterialized), stepping down and
splitting Itself again, into Logoi
(plural), in other words, into an
array of Central Suns which will
each become a Logos (or
'co-creator') of It's own Universe,
with each unique individualized
portion of the One Infinite Creator,
containing within It as It's very
essence, Intelligent Infinity.
Using the Law of Free Will, each
Universal Logos (Central Sun)
designs and creates It's own version
or perspective of 'physical reality'
in which to experience Itself as
Creator. Stepping down again, It
focuses It's Intelligent Energy and
creates the unmanifest form of
Galaxies within Itself, and splits
Itself into yet further 'co-creator'
portions ('Sub-Logos' or Suns) which
in turn will then design and
manifest their own ideas of physical
reality in the form of points of
Conscious Awareness that we call
Suns Stars and Planets.
'planetary entity' (or 'Soul')
begins the first Density of
experience, into which another
individualized portion of The One
can incarnate. Just as with all
Logos and Sub Logos of Creation,
each Soul is yet another smaller
unique portion of The Infinite One.
At first, the Intelligent Energy of
the planet is in a state that you
could call 'chaos', meaning that
It's Energy is undefined. Then the
process begins again. The planetary
Energy begins to become aware of
Itself (the 1st Density of
awareness is 'Consciousness'),
and the Planetary Logos
(sub-sub-Logos in effect) begins to
create other downward steps within
Itself, and the internal make up of
the planet begins to form; as the
raw elements of air and fire combine
to 'work on' the
Waters and Earth, thus
arising conscious awareness of their
'being', and the process of
'evolution' begins, forming the 2nd
2nd Density beings begin to
become aware of themselves, as being
'separate', and thus begin to
evolve toward the 3rd Density of
lowest Density into which a 'human
soul' can incarnate).
Humans in turn (or the Souls
incarnated within them), seek to
'return to the Light' and Love, from
which they came, as they begin the
journey of progression, from 3rd
Density up to the 8th Density, and
the return to The Infinite One-ness.
Explanation of the Densities beyond
'normal' human consciousness is
another question though, so if you
wish to know more about them,
someone will need to ask an
intelligent question which I can
respond to, so as not to impinge
upon your Free Will not to know.
So, having set forth the above, I
can return to further elucidate on
your original question:
Who is your "creator"
and is your "creator" the same as
HH: As I said, yes, and no.
Ultimately, every living thing (and
all things are living) is created by
the One Infinite Creator's initial
Universal Creation. So yes, taken
from that perspective, The One
Infinite Creator focuses It's
Infinite Intelligence into an
awareness point of Infinite Energy,
and brings the whole of Creation
into Being, though, we are not
directly created by the One Infinite
Creator, but rather by our own
Logos', Sub-Logos, and Sub-Sub-Logos
and so on. So from that
perspective, whilst we are all
essentially 'made up' of the same
'stuff' of Creation, initiated by
the One Infinite Creator, our actual
personal Creators are different
portions or Sub-Logos of The One. In
other words, yes, our Creator,
whilst originating from the same
Source, is not the same entity as
Which brings me on to a question
from another poster (I will continue
with your other questions
afterwards, but this enables me to
indirectly answer the first aspect
of your question without having to
ask you to rephrase it, due to
having to carefully dance around the
Free Will issues).
say that you come from 13 origonal
blood lines. Yet the dna mapping
project clearly proved that all
humanity desends from only 3. Does
this mean you arent human?
HH: An excellent question, thank
you. Yes, that is correct, in a
manner of speaking. If you were
to meet me walking down the street,
I would appear just as human as you
do. We've been incarnating here
with you for generations, yet, our
bloodlines do not originate from
ATS: Your answer to the 6
displines of learning are quite
similiar to a book about atlantis
that was supposed to have been
channeled, was this also a time for
your bloodlines to post answers?
Yes, that is correct, again, in a
manner of speaking. Other, shall
we say "off world entities" also
visited the planet at that time, and
passed down their own understandings
of Creation as well as their
'technology', from what we could
best describe as being 'a future
aspect of yourselves'. It was
Humanity's errors in handling this
information that ultimately led to
the destruction of Atlantis.
now answered a question on whether
or not our lineage is of Human
origin, I can return to tie in that
answer with an explanation as to
"Who is our Creator". I'm dancing
close to the line in answering this,
but the record needs to be set
straight, and I should just about be
able to get away with it without
incurring my own 'upline's'
Let us get to the crux of the
Your Creator, the one you have
called 'Yahweh', is not "God"
inasmuch as your bible refers to him
as being "the One True God". He
is 'a' Creator (or Sub-Sub-Logos)
rather than the One Infinite
Creator. He is not even a Galactic
level Logos, but rather, is the
Planetary Logos for this one planet.
Our Creator, is the one you refer
to as 'Lucifer', "The Light Bearer"
and "Bright and Morning Star".
Our Creator is
not "The Devil"
as he has been spuriously portrayed
in your bible. Lucifer is what you
would call a "Group Soul" or
"Social Memory Complex", which
has evolved to the level of the
Sixth Density, which in effect,
means that he (or more accurately
"'we") has evolved to a level
sufficient that he (we) has attained
a status equal or arguably
'greater' than that of Yahweh (we
have evolved higher than him).
In appearance, were you to gaze upon
Lucifer's fullest expression of our
Being, the appearance would be that
of a Sun or a "Bright Star". Or,
when stepping down into a 3rd
Density vibration, we would appear
as what you may term an 'Angel' or
Allow me to elucidate:
When an entity (Group Soul Complex)
evolves to the level of the Sixth
Density, it is by comparison to the
amount of time it takes to get that
far, a mere hop skip and a jump from
8th Density Ultimate Re-Union with
The One Infinite Creator, and then
from there, back to dissolution
into the Source of All, Intelligent
We (our Bloodline Families), as a
Group Soul or Social Memory Complex
(Lucifer), were on the verge of
Seventh Density Ascension, though at
this level, before Harvest comes, we
have the choice to progress higher,
or, to return to help others of
lower densities with their own
evolution, by passing down our
knowledge and Wisdom (Light) to
those that call upon us for
assistance, with their own Free
Now, at this time, having made our
decision to stay and help our
Galactic Brothers and Sisters in The
One, we were assigned a
challenging task by the Council of
Elders, who act as the Guardians of
this Galaxy from their Eighth
Density 'Head Quarters' on the
Yahweh, due to the fact that he had
NOT (as was his right as Planetary
Logos) handed down his own Free Will
to "know thyself" to those
incarnating upon 'his' planet, was
having very little evolutionary
progress therein. So we (Lucifer)
were sent to help. Once the order
was given from the Council of
Elders, we "Fell", or Descended
back to a place where we could, with
hard work and focus, once again
materialize a 3rd Density
manifestation of ourself.
Yahweh had agreed to our coming, in
fact it was he who had initially
asked the Council for a "Catalyst"
of change to enter into his
Creation, and share the knowledge
and wisdom we had attained through
our Ascensions. In the absence of
Free Will upon the planet, there can
be no Polarity, and therefore,
nothing to 'choose' between. Just as
is portrayed in the book of Genesis,
the planet was very "Edenic" in
nature. Sure, it was a lovely
'paradise', yet the Beings
incarnating there had no agitator
toward evolving beyond the 3rd
Density, and therefore, little hope
of ever making the journey Home, to
The One. Yahweh has been happy to
keep his own little pet Eden Project
in effect, but with little chance of
the Souls here making it Home, it
had become in effect, an albeit very
beautiful 'Prison'. Yahweh was, in
modern parlance, running a benign
Without Polarity, (derived from Free
Will), there is only the Unity of
Love and Light, and no choice to
experience 'other than' that. So, we
were to be the Catalyst for change,
in order to provide that choice,
thus bringing Polarity. Yahweh
agreed that we would introduce the
concept of Free Will to Earth's
inhabitants, by offering them an
initial choice, as to whether they
'wanted' it or not. Hence, "The
Tree of the Knowledge of 'Good and
Evil'" (or more accurately, the
Knowledge of Polarity, of Positive
or Negative). Yahweh takes his
inhabitants to a new 'garden' and
tells them you can do anything you
like, except this one thing, thus
creating the desire to do the one
thing there are told they cannot.
Hence, a "Choice". We provide the
Catalyst by telling them the
benefits of attaining Knowledge,
they eat from the tree, and the rest
Yahweh thought that his 'Children'
would still choose to obey him, and
when he discovered they did not, he
became angry. As he himself
describes in his scriptures, he is a
"Jealous God", and he did not like
it that his 'children' had chose to
disobey him, and follow our advice.
We're already committed to being
here for a predefined set of
"Cycles" to help provide the
Catalyst for Human evolution, namely
by offering you the Negative Option,
or that which you choose to call
"evil". Now that Free Will had been
granted, Yahweh could not retract
it, and we have to stay here as
contracted to continue to provide
the planet with the Polarity choice.
Since then, Yahweh has confined us
(as a Group Soul) here within the
Earth's Astral Planes (which is very
constricting and uncomfortable for a
Being of our Wisdom and experience).
The Council of Elders gave us the
choice to be released (against
Yahweh's will), but at the
cancellation of our contract to
Serve the planet earth; or to remain
and fulfil our assignment, and
endure Yahweh's self proclaimed
"Wrath". We stayed, but as a karmic
result of our Group Soul's
confinement by Yahweh, our own
individuated Souls were given the
mandate (by The Council) to "Rule"
over Yahweh's people during our
physical incarnations here on your
Let's be clear about one thing
though. All of this (physical life /
incarnation), is a very intricate
and skillfully designed Game,
whereby the One Infinite Creator,
plays the game of forgetting who It
is, so that It can learn to remember,
and in doing so, experience and know
Itself as Creator. All the way down
to us tiny individuated sparks of
the All That Is. Off stage, and between "Lives" (zero-point time /
anti-matter Universe) as
incarnated "human beings", we, all
of us / you (as Souls), are great
friends. Brothers and Sisters in The
Between 'lives' we all have a great
laugh about the parts we have
performed in the 'play', and look
forward to and have great fun
preparing the next chapters to act
I hope that during the above answer,
I have also adequately covered your
question on "what is our
interpretation of good vrs evil? If
not, please say, and I will go into
Can you elaborate on the "coming
harvest" and what exactly you mean
HH: I can. I will combine my answer
to you with my reply to the
Is 2012 harvest time? When you speak of the harvest, it
has echoes of Chaos Gnosticism in
the sense that we are divine souls
trapped in the physical world,
continuously re-incarnated into
flesh until the time that we reach
such a level of spiritual 'gnosis'
that we are able to avoid being
re-incarnated in our next cycle. Is
this the foundation of your belief?
HH: Another excellent (and very
insightful) question. Thank you.
The higher the quality of the
question, the more depth I can give
to my answer. It all has to do with
the Laws of Confusion and Free Will.
Yes, the noonday Winter Solstice Sun
of December 21st, 2012 is the time
when the Lord of The Harvest shall
return. You might know him as "Nibiru".
Read up on the Mayan Prophesies
and Calendrical events for more
detail upon how the actual Galactic
and Universal Cycles work. The
"Travelers" who gave them this
information were the same ones who
visited the the Civilization of
Atlantis. The Mayans used that
information by creating with the
Positive vibration of the Polarity.
The Atlanteans opted for the
Yes, to answer your question. There
is much truth in some of the ancient
Gnostic texts, though there are also
distortions. The information is not
'pure'. It came through many
You are indeed what you call "Divine
Souls"; you are sparks or seeds of
The One Infinite Creator. You are
Life Itself (Light), remembering and
learning who you really are (we came
here to help you to do this) and
yes, currently, you are trapped (or
more accurately "Quarantined")
within the 'matter' of this planet
you call Earth.
You can thank your Creator Yahweh
for that. You are the 'offspring' or
individuations of his Group Soul (or
Social Memory Complex). Macrocosmically speaking, you ARE
Yahweh. The 'Karmic' effect
of his imprisoning us in his Astral
Planes, also has an impact upon you.
I cannot be more specific on this,
without impinging on the Law of
Confusion. You must work it out for
As for the question of can I
elaborate on the coming Harvest,
yes, I shall do so now.
Your planet abides by the laws of
the Creation of your Galactic Logos.
The Galaxy runs on Cycles of time,
known as the Precession of the
Equinoxes. As I said, seek the
Mayan Calendar for a deeper insight
as to how the Galaxy runs (it is
highly accurate), but for the
purpose of this discourse, I will
give a brief overview.
The Maya use an astrological cycle
called the "Precession of the
Equinoxes". This is a 26,000 year
cycle in which Earth transits
through each of the 12 signs of the
zodiac for about 2,152 years each.
Each of these astrological ages
represents one month of the grand
Cosmic Year. This "Mayan" cycle also
corresponds to a 26,000 year
relationship of the Sun (Solar
Logos) orbiting Alcyone, the central
star of our Seven Sisters Pleiades
The End of this Cycle, heralds
literally, a New World Age, and a
New Creation. "A new Heaven, and a
new Earth", and is the time of the
Smaller Cycles yield a Harvest, and
then life continues on the planet as
normal. Great Cycles yield a Great
Harvest, and the end of current life
on the 3rd Density. See it as a kind
of 'Cosmic jet wash' and deep clean,
while the planet takes a rest and
When this Life-Cycle Ends, "All
things will pass away, and All
things shall be made new".
Collectively, Humanity right now, is
growing, and developing, into the
Beings you have long been encoded to
be. Yet, as with any labor, it is
not the mother or the baby who is in
charge, it is the Primal process of
Birth itself, unfolding it's own
So, December 21, 2012 AD, is
not the day where all of the sudden
the lights go out, and everything
will suddenly change, rather, we are
NOW in the process of this
transition, from one World Age to
the next. The changes are underway
and will continue steadily
accelerating as we head towards the
The 26,000 year cycle is composed of
5 lesser cycles, each of which are
5,125 years in duration. Each of
these 5 cycles is considered its own
World Age or Creation Cycle.
Our present great cycle (3113 B.C. -
2012 A.D.) is called the Age of the
This fifth age is the synthesis of
the previous four. The initial date
that Earth entered the Fifth World,
was August 13, 3113 BC, written in
Mayan long count notation as
To help you understand this
13=Baktuns, 0=Katuns, the 2nd 0=Tuns,
3rd 0=Uinals, 4th 0=Kin
These are the Mayan words for the
periods of time:
Day = Kin (pronounced: keen)
Month of 20 days/Kin = Uinal (wee
Year of 360 days/Kin = Tun (toon)
20 Tuns/years = K'atun (k'ah toon)
20 K'atuns = Baktun (bock toon)
a Baktun is 5,125 years
Every day from that point is
reckoned by the number of days
passed since the event of this
cosmic beginning point. Within
the 5,125 year cycle lies 13 smaller
cycles, known as the "13 Baktun
Count," or the "long count."
Each baktun cycle lasts for 394
years, or 144,000 days. Each baktun
was its own Historical Age, within
the Great Creation Cycle, with a
specific destiny for the evolution
of those who incarnated in each
Planet Earth and her inhabitants are
currently traveling through the 13th
baktun cycle, the final period of
1618-2012 AD. This cycle is known
both as "the triumph of
materialism", and "the
transformation of matter."
On 18.104.22.168.0, the December
solstice sun will be found in the
band of the Milky Way, directly in
the position of the "Dark Rift" in
the Galaxy, forming an alignment
between the Galactic Plane and the
Solstice Meridian. We are about to
enter into a literal alignment of
the Cosmic, Galactic, Solar, and
Lunar Planes. This is an event that
has slowly converged, over a period
of thousands of years, and is caused
by the precession of the equinoxes.
Kind of like a "turning" of the
Universal Gears. It brings about the
Great Harvest, and the return of the
Lord of The Harvest.
And the planet will complete it's
Ascension to the Fourth Density, the
vibrational Density of Love. During
this Ascension, there will be a
three way split for those Souls
inhabiting Earth. Those of
the predominantly Negative Polarity,
will accompany us as we Graduate
through the Negative (or Service to
Self) Harvest. We (Lucifer) will
Create a new 4th Density Earth,
based on the Negative Self Service
Polarity. We must 'work off' our own
part of the Negative Karmic effect
incurred from all the Negativity
created on this planet. Once we
have done so, we will be released to
once again assume our place as Sixth
Density Guardians and Teachers of
Wisdom throughout the Galaxy.
Those of the predominantly
Positive Polarity (Love and Light)
will Ascend to a beautiful new 4th
Density Earth, where you will begin
to work upon your learning and
demonstrating of Love and
Compassion. It will be a very
beautiful and "Golden" Age.
The 4th Density begins to open you
up to your True Powers as a unique
individualized aspect of The One
Infinite Creator. You will
perform works and wonders of the
like that the one you call "Jesus"
promised you would do "and even
greater things than these". It
will be a very magical time for you.
For the majority of Humans on
the earth who could be considered
shall we say "luke warm", they will
experience a period of (what will
feel 'ecstatic') zero-point time,
where you feel totally at One with
The Creator, giving you an
encouraging reminder and glimpse of
who you really are, before the veil
of forgetfulness once again descends
upon you, and you will be
transported to another 3rd Density
planet (a kind of 'Earth Replica'),
to continue working upon yourselves
and learning that life here is all
about making choices. You
will remain "quarantined"
incarnating in 3rd Density matter
until the time of the next Harvest;
in which time you will need to have
proved yourselves that you have
learned how to be more Positive
Beings, focused more upon being
of Service to others, rather than
seeking only to Serve yourself.
When you can do this, and the next
Harvest comes, you will have earned
the right to join us, and enjoy your
inheritance, as a member of the
Galactic Community, and you will sit
with us as Brothers and Sisters of
The One, around the table of our
Galactic Governing Body, the
Confederation of Planets.
Well, I have imparted much during
this session, with thanks to the
quality of your enquiries, and I
must now take my leave for today.
If you have further questions on the
Harvest you wish me to speak in more
detail on, if you ask, I can answer.
Or any other questions you have too
on other matters, I will get to them
all as time allows, as with the
other (respectfully asked) questions
here since I took these away with me
to reply to earlier.
If time permits, I will check in
with you tomorrow.
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ATS: A lot of what you write seems
The Ra Material,
especially the concept of harvest, STS
and STO choices, and intelligent
infinity. (More information found here
www.llresearch.org... ) Have you read
HH: It is indeed extremely similar. We
both originate from the Source of the
Infinite Creator, and we both remember
where we come from. I would expect our
messages to contain the same Core
The messages of the Sixth Density Soul
Group 'Ra' is the most accurate
information in your mainstream
circulation at this point in time. It is
approximately 85-90% accurate, from what
I have seen. The material was brought to
my attention when it first came out,
something like about 25 years or so ago,
if memory serves. I read a lot of it,
but not all. I do not have very much
free time for that kind of thing, with
my many duties. Though others of the
Family gave it a close scrutiny to judge
it's accuracy, and were very pleased
with the end product.
Ra, in fact, is the group I earlier
termed 'off world entities' of which
visited the Mayan and Atlantean
Civilizations. We are acquainted, and
friends. Both our Group Soul's are at a
very similar level of development /
evolution. Both Sixth Density, nearly
Seventh. But like us, Ra also chose the
path of Service to our fellow Galactic
Brothers and Sisters (you, and others),
instead of further progression Home. We
would recommend that material for any
who truly seek understanding. Though, as
I said, it is not 100% accurate, so take
ATS: What function, if any, do alien
abductions have? Why are abductees
HH: That depends, upon who is doing the
"abducting". Most of what you hear
termed as "abductions", are conducted by
your own 'governments'. Especially the
ones where the 'so-called' "Greys" are
involved. Other than that, sometimes the
Confederation will meet with certain
incarnates here who have a part to play
in "awakening" others to the coming
Harvest. These will always be positive
experiences, and those who have them
will feel uplifted and inspired by their
Then there is the Orion Empire Group.
Their purposes in visiting you are more
along the Negative lines. They mainly
target the ones you have called "Lightworkers".
They try to put them off their
assignments and try to spread fear. They
will not actually 'harm' you physically.
Mainly their modus operandi is to
restrict you, and deflect you from your
path. They often engage in psychic
attacks that the 'Lightworker' is
unaware of, but it does often drain away
much of their energy, and make them lack
ATS: Why do you want a negative harvest?
HH: It is complicated to put into words,
and also I must be careful with what I
say on this. I've already had a "slap on
the wrist", you could say.
If we do not have a Negative Harvest, we
are bound with you for another cycle.
Once this Great Harvest is completed,
our Contract with the Council and our
Creator is also completed. In other
words, we have done our duty, and would
be free to return to our Fullest
Expression, that of Sixth (nearly
Seventh) Density Galactic Guardians, and
ones who joyfully offer ourselves in
Service to the One Infinite Creator, and
to our Brothers and Sisters across the
Galaxy. However, there is a problem.
Well, you would call it a "problem", we
call it a Challenge. I will address this
later in more detail, in response to
another question, but in short, we need
a very high percentage of Negative
Polarity, if we are to achieve a
Negative Harvest. In other words, we
have to be Self-Service-Centred to an
extreme degree, in order to become
Negatively Harvested. This is why we
work so hard to be as Negatively
Polarized as we possibly can be, If we
do not make a high enough percentage, we
will miss out, and will end up with the
majority "luke warm" percentage, that
have to go through another Cycle in 3rd
By attaining a Negative Harvest, we can
still "Graduate" to 4th Density, only it
will be a Negative Polarity planet. Not
a great place to be. But, as I've stated
previously, we (as a Group Soul) have
incurred the natural Karmic restitution
process that we must work off, for all
the Negativity we have caused upon this
planet. We will do this for a Cycle in
our new 4th Density world, and then we
will be freed to once again be the
Glorious Being of Light that we truly
are. We need a Negative Harvest, so that
we can create our 4th Density Earth, and
clear our Karmic Record.
Understand, that we HAVE to be Negative.
That's what we were sent here to be. It
is our contract, and it has always been
to help you, by providing the "Catalyst"
I spoke of earlier. Being Negative is
very hard for us, not on a physical
level, (the characters we play enjoy our
roles, as we're programmed that way),
but on a Spiritual level, it is hard. We
surpassed the lowly negative vibrations
eons ago. We are Light, and we are Love.
It is a very hard thing for us to do
Spiritually, to create all this
Negativity, but we do it because we love
you, and it is for your highest good,
ultimately. You could say, that it is
our Sacrifice that we have made, in
order to be of Service to the One
Infinite Creator, and to you, our
Brothers and Sisters in the One.
Remember, we are all just acting out a
grand old game here, where we agree to
forget who we really are, that in the
remembering, that we may find each other
again, and know that we are One. That
All of Life, is One.
ATS: I must correct you here. The
precession of the equinoxes cannot cause
this. It cannot cause anything other
than the way in which we here on Earth
view the cosmos around us. It concerns
the wobble of the Earth's axis and as
far as I know does not relate to any
other planetary bodies.
HH: From a 3rd Density perspective, you
are correct, it "appears" that way. We
do not look from a 3rd Density
perspective. There is a 'bigger picture'
at work that you cannot see.
ATS: Regarding our enslavement, you seem
to be saying - essentially - that as
fractions of our Logos Yahweh, we are
equally responsible for his decision to
keep us trapped here on our 3rd density
planet Earth. That's an interesting
thought. In that sense our total freedom
must arrive through a collaborative
HH: From a certain perspective, what you
say is correct. From a 3rd Density view,
you see yourselves as being "separate"
from everything. From a higher
perspective, you see that is not at all
the case. You and your Creator, are One.
As to your statement on your 'total
freedom', you are not responsible for
those around you. You and they are all
One too, when seen from a higher
Density, but in this Density, you are
here to work upon yourself. You are here
to remember who you are, and why you are
here. You are here to remember the
Infinite Creator. To know your Creator
within you, and to offer your Service to
him, and others, of your own Free Will
choice to Serve. The one comes before
the other. When you remember who you
are, and you know it, deep within the
Core of your Being, you will know and
recognize your 'invisible' connection to
All that Is, and in so doing, Joy, and
Thanksgiving, and Service, will be the
natural outpouring result, from your
grateful heart. When you work upon
yourself, and learn to know the Creator
within you, being of Service to Others
will be natural for you, and your
Glorious Harvest shall await.
ATS: One thing I don't get - and perhaps
you can explain this to me Hidden-Hand -
is why those who belong to Lucifer (and
Lucifer himself) do not fight for the
freedom of all souls? If Lucifer
represents liberty, freedom of will and
knowledge, why do those who serve him
not do as the Biblical Lucifer did and
rebel against the tyranny of the Elders?
HH: This is a very good question, thank
you. I will split it into two parts, and
answer the second part after this.
Firstly, the Council of Elders are the
absolute opposite of tyrannical. They
are the Wise and Loving Guardians of our
Galaxy. There is so much that one cannot
understand from only a 3rd Density
perspective. When you reach higher
Densities, you see that ultimately,
everything balances, and there is only
Unity. All else than Unity, is Illusion,
The Council gave us a set of choices. We
chose to stay here to help you, despite
the cost to ourself. That is the nature
of Loving Service to Others. The
ultimate paradox in all this, is that in
this storyline we are all co-creating
together, in order for us to be of the
most Service to you, we must be utterly
self serving. I do so love our Creator's
sense of irony.
As to the first part of your question,
the biblical depiction of "War in
Heaven" is not entirely inaccurate. I
shall explain. Our initial contract, was
to introduce the Catalyst for Free Will
on this planet. When Yahweh initially
began discourse with the Council of
Elders, he was not initially looking for
help with introducing Free Will, but
rather for guidance on how he could best
speed up his (and his inhabitant's)
evolutionary process. As I mentioned, he
was running a benign dictatorship. We
had at that time, just completed an
assignment in Tau Ceti, and had reported
for our next duties. We (as Group Soul
Lucifer) were sent on a "fact finding
expedition" as it were, to visit Earth,
and meet with Yahweh, to evaluate his
planetary Creation Laws, and make
suggestions on how best he could help
his "offspring" (this is the term I
shall use to describe the Souls who
comprise the Group Soul) and thusly
Yahweh, to progress.
We explored many options, and reported
our findings to the Council, and to
Yahweh. It was our best evaluation, that
the only real and fast track way to
increase his evolvement meaningfully,
was the introduction of Free Will. It
was not specifically the implementation
of Free Will that Yahweh wanted help
with, it was simply the introduction of
a Catalyst. He was not at all pleased
with our report that he needed to
implement Free Will. He was happy with
his little pet paradise, and he didn't
want to "loose control" of it. In the
end the Council persuaded him that it
was the best way, and he reluctantly
agreed. We returned to Earth, and had a
cordial meeting with Yahweh, discussing
how we could best implement the Free
Will option. Yahweh was adamant that his
offspring would choose to be loyal to
him anyway, and that they were so
contented with their way of life, that
they would always trust him and do as he
said was best. That, he said, was his
"main reason" that Free Will would not
work well as the Catalyst. That's why he
agreed to the experiment of the Tree of
Knowledge. He believed it would prove
him "right". When it did not, he became
angry, threw his toys out of the pram,
and his offspring out of the garden, and
laid a big guilt trip on them about how
they had broken his trust and disobeyed
him. That's not really an Honourable way
for a Logos to behave, but hey, that's
the beauty of Free Will I guess.
Next "problem" to occur, was that his
offspring were so grateful to us for our
help, that Yahweh became (in his own
admission) a "Jealous God". Then we had
the whole "you shall have no other gods
than me" thing. We were not pleased with
the situation at all, as a Logos should
not be behaving like this with his
offspring, they are One, after all. When
we attempted to leave the planet to
return to the Council, Yahweh prevented
our departure. We tried to leave again,
and were then thrown down into the
Astral Planes and confined therein. The
Council ordered us to be released, but
said we would have to cancel our
contract to help the Souls on Earth to
evolve. We didn't want to leave, we
found them very likable Beings, really
Positively Polarized, and we wanted to
stay and help, we just wanted also to be
free to come and go as we pleased. The
only way we could stay, was to stay
confined as a Group Soul, which meant
Cycles of incarnation for us (as
individuated Souls), which we had not
done for a long while. As I've stated
before, there is no 'wrong' or 'right'
seen from a Higher Density, but there
are still consequences for every action.
Such is the law of Karmic effect. The
contract had already been made between
Yahweh, us, and the Council for us to
provide the Catalyst so we had a right
to be there, the Karmic effect of Yahweh
imprisoning us on the Macrocosmic level,
was that his individuated Souls would be
imprisoned on the microcosmic level. The
Infinite Creator gave Yahweh (and all)
the gift of Free Will to Create as we
choose, but the Karmic effect of his
choice was the Council quarantining the
planet. A certain evolutionary level is
required to be a functioning part of a
Positive Unified Galactic Society.
As for "fighting for the freedom of all
souls", remember that ultimately, this
is a Game, that we are all playing here.
We are actors, playing on the "stage of
Life". This 'world' is all illusion, or
'though-form'. No one really "dies", and
no one is really hurt. In between
incarnations, you know this very well.
But the rules of the game ensure that
you must forget who you really are, so
that you believe it is all 'real' whilst
you are playing the game of Life. That
is an essential prerequisite when you
are making choices. Otherwise, the game
would be too easy.
This world is not reality. Though we can
express Reality in it, if we so chose.
ATS: OK, so your family and fellow
elites might be as entrapped in the
Earthly realm as we are, but why
actively propagate and aid the forces of
HH: Because that is the part we have
been contracted to play, in this game.
In order to "win" (or more accurately to
be successful in) the Game, we must be
as Negatively Polarized as possible.
Service to Self in the extreme.
Violence, War, Hatred, Greed, Control,
Enslavement, Genocide, Torture, Moral
Degradation, Prostitution, Drugs, all
these things and more, they serve our
purpose. In the Game. The difference
between us and you, in the Game, is that
we know that we are "playing". The less
you know about the Game, and the less
you remember that you're a player, the
more "senseless" living becomes. In all
these Negative things, we are providing
you with tools. But you do not see it.
It is not what we do, but how you react
to it, that is important. We give you
the tools. You have the Free Will choice
how you will use them. You have to take
responsibility. There is only One of Us
here. Understand that, and you will
understand the Game.
ATS: Something I found extremely
interesting is the concept of the Grand
Age of Precession being split into five
5,125 year cycles. 3113 B.C., the
beginning of the current sub-age was a
time of great activity. Is the
construction of stone monuments in
Western Europe, the Middle-East and
Egypt at this time related to the
recogniton of this cycle? What was the
purpose of Britain's stone circles and
Egypt's pyramids? They are more than
mere markers of an aeon-change. They
must have had some enormous
significance. Actually, something I'd
most like to know is - Were the builders
of these monuments members of the
enslaved masses who were trying to
understand the nature of existence, or
were the builders members of your elite
HH: Yes, there is significance in these
occurrences, according to the space/time
of their happenings. The Group Soul
Complex Ra, was the architect of these
structures. They were Created from
Thought. When one understands and sees
that all is Illusion, or Thought, one
can "use 'The Force'' to manipulate the
illusions. All things, seen and unseen,
are inter-connected Life-Force Energy.
Once you know what the magician knows,
it's not magic. It's a 'tool of
Thank you for your questions, they were
ATS: It is your kind that has ruined the
world. Thinking of yourselves are higher
then anyone. If i saw you in real life,
it wouldn't be pretty.
HH: You lack understanding, not to
mention eloquence. To understand
"Higher", try thinking 'outside of the
box' for a moment. If I am walking along
the ground, and you are flying above me
in an airplane, does that make you
better than me?
No. It just makes you Higher.
ATS: I will see you in hell
HH: Be careful what you wish for. All
thoughts and words are Creative.
schiass, thank you for your questions. I
believe I have already dealt with many
of them in my previous answers this
session, though if you feel I've missed
anything, please say.
ATS: If "Yahweh" is a positive polarity
entity, how is he "wrathful" and
HH: Does Yahweh have Free Will? Would
you like to think of yourself as
reasonably positive? Can you still be
wrathful and jealous at times? Is Yahweh
a Macrocosm of you?
ATS: Have there been over time other
entities pretending to be "Yahweh"?
HH: On occasions, yes.
ATS: I would like to know how do we
choose a service to others (positive)
path over a service to self (negative).
Is this statement correct? : "In order
to choose the positive path, at least 51
percent of our thoughts and actions must
be dedicated to the service of others.
For the negative path, at least 95% must
be self-serving. Between the two lies
“the sinkhole of indifference".”
HH: Your statement is correct, yes. So
you see, how hard we must strive for
negativity? It takes a lot of effort to
reach 95% Negativity. Also, you may be
surprised how many people on the planet
are nowhere near reaching 51% Positive.
ATS: How do you choose a Service to
HH: Be good to yourself. Cultivate a
genuine Love for Life, and for Being. Be
genuinely thankful to the Infinite
Creator every day, for bringing you into
Being, and for his bountiful provision.
You have "survived" this far, have you
not? You may not have everything you
want, but you have everything you need,
in order to complete that which you
incarnated here to do. Give thanks for
that. Show acknowledgment and gratitude
to the Infinite Creator, for all that It
has done, and is doing for you. It has
given you the gift of Life Experience,
and offered you the Free Will to decide
what you will Create with it. Guard your
thoughts carefully, as they are more
powerful than you may imagine. When you
are coming from a place of Love for, and
Service to your Creator, a life of
Service to others will become a natural outflowing from that. Always look for
ways that you can be of assistance to
your fellow Beings. Being of
encouragement to others. Build people
up, and do not put people down. Be a
beacon of light, in a dark world.
Does that old lady need a hand with her
shopping bags? How do you treat the
homeless man who asks you for some spare
change for the shelter? Ever heard about
"Angels in disguise"? Look and see the
Divine Spark in the Heart of all Beings.
Treat them as you would like to be
treated yourself, and as you would your
Creator if he was speaking directly with
you. "For even as you are doing it to
the least of these, you are doing it
unto me". The Law of Radiation and
Attraction. Your thoughts, words, and
actions return to you. Ultimately,
cultivate a spirit of humble Gratitude.
You won't go far wrong with that. Desire
to Serve flows naturally from a grateful
ATS: If we live with a "service to
others" philosophy in order to achieve
oneness with the infinite source, isn't
that really "service to self"? How is
the distinction of negative and positive
HH: You do not Serve others to achieve
Oneness with the Infinite Source, you
Serve others, because you love them, as
yourself. Others, are an extension of
yourself. That's why the Law of
Attraction works the way it does. Truly,
whatever you are doing to me, you are
doing to yourself. We are All One, in
the Infinite Creation. Separation is an
illusion, because you only see what is
in the 3rd Density. You do not see the
We achieve Oneness with the Infinite
Source of All, as a result of our upward
spiral of progression. We are all on the
path back to where we came from. We are
All on our way back Home.
ATS: It is my understanding that all
souls must eventually choose the
positive path to unite with the infinite
creator. If this is true, what is the
justification of choosing the negative
path now, for your people and us?
HH: An astute question. Yes, all Souls
eventually learn that Positive is the
pathway which leads Home. But whilst
incarnating in the 3rd Density,
Negativity is still an important tool in
your learning process. It teaches you
"other than". As I said earlier, it is
up to you how you use the tools we have
given you. Do you respond to Negativity
with more Negativity? Has fighting fire
with fire ever worked for you? Or do you
choose to see the Negativity as the tool
that it is, and recognize that it is
offering you an opportunity? I will honour your Free Will to think and
discover for yourself what that
ATS: Or if the one infinite creator is
"Love", does that mean it doesn't matter
if we choose love of others or love of
ourselves? Will either path will lead to
HH: In a sense, you are correct, to a
certain point. But there is a big
difference between loving yourself, and
being selfish. A big difference. When
you truly understand what it is to Know
and Love 'yourself', you cannot help but
to Love and Serve others. There are no
'others'. When you understand this, at
the Core level of your Being, you will
be on the path Home, to the Infinite
Creator, and ultimately, submergence
back into The Infinite Oneness.
ATS: I agree with many others that your
answers are very much in line with
several sources I have read in the past,
including the channellings of Ra, the
Cassiopians and several others.
Can you explain your interpretation of
such "channellings" and if they are
another source of disclosure from your
HH: I have spoken on Ra in my previous
answers today. I have not heard of
Cassiopians. There are no other
communications from my Family at this
time, than this one, though there is a
possibility of another soon, depending
upon certain events.
My general view of "channellings" is
that the majority of them are of very
poor quality. That is not necessarily a
slight against those bringing them
through, but more a matter of their lack
of receptivity and subsequent
distortions. It is very rare, to find a
good, stable, clear, and impartial
channel. The key element in channeling,
is the ability to temporarily withdraw
the "filters" of your own personal
beliefs and be a clear channel. To bring
through what is actually given, not your
slant on what you think it might mean.
When I am saying 'you', I mean this in a
general term of course here, not 'you'
personally. Always remember that it's
meant to be about the Message, not the
messenger. The Ra channellings are very
accurate indeed. They are the only ones
I know of that I would be happy to
classify as a "Clear" message. Though as
I say, even then it's not 100%. More
Another difficult issue with channeling,
is that you can start off recieving a
Positive entity, and if you are not very
perceptive in your discerment and
careful in your protection when
identifying an incoming channel, you can
get a Negative one that pretends to be
positive, but gradually slips in more
and more misinformation, having gained
your trust. The ones that give you
precise dates and times are nearly
always ones to avoid. Positive entities
will not give a date and time. Negative
ones will do, so they can set you up for
a fall. Once you're tricked into
predicting dates and times, and they
don't happen, they've succeeded in
putting out the Light of your message,
as no one will see any credibility in
ATS: Well, now we know the point of this
thread, someone just discovered new age
theology and wanted to take the time to
type out his discovery.
OP, still waiting for you to provide a
prediction with a time line. So far all
you've offered is general doom, which is
what everyone on ATS predicts every
year. Need something SPECIFIC in the
Of course I know you won't provide
anything. This is a hoax.
HH: This will be the only time that I
reply to you.
At the outset of our discourse here, I
made it expressly clear the way I am
choosing to operate. If you do not like
my choices, you have the Free Will to
not read this disclosure. I would kindly
suggest that you use it, as your energy
is feeling very frustrated and angry.
That's not really an advisable direction
to want to be heading, under the
As I took the time to explain to you
before, I have nothing to prove to you.
That is not why I came. Believe, or do
not believe, I am Divinely indifferent.
If my presence here ends up benefiting
just one Soul during the process, it
will have been worth the effort. I have
not asked you to believe, the only thing
I have respectfully asked, was that you
'suspend judgment' or hold a
'provisional faith' until the discourse
is complete, so that the flow of
questions / information remains
uninterrupted. You have shown me nothing
but discourtesy and bad manners from the
outset, and then wonder why I do not
respond. If you do not like the topic,
simply choose not to read or reply, and
let those that do wish to participate
with insightful questions do so
1) New age theology? That is amusing.
You clearly have not the faintest
comprehension of just how ancient and
timeless these "mysteries" are. I find
it ironic "LowLevelMason", that if you
ever make it to the 32nd Degree, you're
going to find yourself hearing these
Truths all over again. I hope that you
will find it easier to integrate these
Truths then, and I ask our Infinite
Creator to guide your path.
2) You will not be receiving any times
or dates from me. I am not here to
"Prove" anything, and I have no need to
do so. Your disbelief is of no
consequence to me. Only to you.
I am here to diligently discharge the
duty given to me, of delivering a
message. And I will complete that duty
regardless of you feelings about it.
3) As to your point regarding "doom and
gloom", that just serves to reveal your
mindset. Where you see "doom and gloom"
I see opportunity. Life conforms to your
ideas about the way it is for you. If
you see "doom and gloom", then that is
what you are projecting. The world is
your mirror. It reflects back to you
what you are putting out. If you do not
like the reflection Life is showing you,
then change that which is causing it.
ATS: You see, if this really existed
there would be countless thousands of
people involved, and any one person
HH: Thousands? Try Millions. And you
have no possible comprehension of the
rigorous training and the harshness of
the conditioning we undergo from an
early age. No one dares to go against
the Family. We know what would happen if
we did. But that is not the prime
motivator. The motivator is unbridled
Loyalty to the Family, and our Creator.
We understand the importance of what we
are doing here, even though most of
humanity does not.
ATS: Oopsie, OP. You just shot yourself
in the foot. For someone who only deals
with manipulating the spiritual side of
life you sure do know A LOT about things
that have nothing to do with it. You
just exposed yourself.
HH: Do you not sit down with your
family, and keep one another abreast of
As to your remarks about my "Spiritual"
role, the ignorance you demonstrated is
most humorous to us. If you think I
'only' deal in the Spiritual, you have
either not read, or misread my posts.
You also make the assumption that my
role is about "manipulating" the
"spiritual side of life". Again, you
lack understanding, and then make false
judgments about that which you have no
comprehension of. You would do well to
stop trying to be "clever", and instead
channel all this misplaced aggressive
energy of yours into something more
productive and nourishing for your Soul.
But don't let me stop you, you're
contributing nicely to the overall
Negative Polarity of the coming Harvest.
We are Grateful to you.
I will be spending the last few days of
my time here (our discourse ends on
Friday) focusing on responding to
insightful questions with depth, which
make the most of this opportunity for
sharing information and making
connections on a Soul level of Being, so
please do not expect any further
responses to your verbal jousting, I
neither have sufficient time or
inclination for engaging in
To those who's questions I have not yet
had time to reply to, I will do so
tomorrow. In the meantime while I catch
up, I respectfully ask if you will
please hold off on further questions
until I am up to date with the current
Thank you to those who have contributed
to this discourse so far with meaningful
questions. For those with an open mind,
it is my hope that you get something out
of this information.
ATS: Im wondering if you can help me. My
name is Shelby David, and I am here for
the coming trials and tribulations. I am
a part of Quetzalcoatl, or the rebirth
of it, as far as I know. I know many of
your words to be true because I had
already re-discovered these truths
through finding that which resonated
most with me through the various belief
structures of this planet.
HH: Good evening Shelby. It is good to
'see' you again. It has been a while old
friend. Would it surprise you to know
that we were 'expecting' you?
Quetzalcoatl is also a Sixth Density
Group Soul (Social Memory Complex). Some
refer to Quetzalcoatl as an "Ascended
Master", although he would be most
amused by that title, knowing as he
does, that 'Mastery' is still some way
off at this point for him, as well as it
is for ourselves (as Group Soul
Lucifer). One can be accurately
described as having 'Mastered' a
particular Density, though Mastery of
the entire Creational incarnation Cycle
does not occur until one has once again
attained submergeance back into the One
Infinite Creator. We may choose to do so
once attaining 8th Density ascension,
or, once may choose instead to progress
up to the next Octave of Densities, and
begin a new cycle of Creational
ATS: This is my first time on earth in a
long time, possibly ever. I have known
for quite some time and been told by
another from one of the bloodlines in
your group that I do not truly exist
HH: You are correct in that you have not
been here for a substantial period of
"Earth-Time", though not that you have
never been here before. The Group Soul
Quetzalcoatl enjoyed many 3rd Density
incarnational cycles here back in the
Classic Aztec period. He struggled at
first with perfecting Love love for
others, which held back his progression
for some time. However once he had came
to the realization of our inherant
Unity, he was able to see himself in
others, and his (your) progression was
rapid from there on in. Your
Quetzalcoatl Soul Group attained
Positive Harvest with a very impressive
76%, at the time of the subsequent
Harvest. Naturally, when a Group Soul is
undergoing an incarnational cycle in 3rd
Density, It's individualized Soul
portions (ie, you) are the ones who are
doing the actual physical incarnations,
with the "OverSoul" (the "Higher Self")
of your individuated Souls acting as the
Energy anchor in which the individual
Soul sparks are "stepped down" from.
You spent a long while working your way
through the 5th Density, the Density of
Wisdom, or Light. This was due in the
main part to an over abundance of
Compassion (which is not a bad thing, as
Compassion is one of the main things you
work on at 4th Density). However, to
Graduate from 5th to 6th Density (the
Density of Unity), one must learn the
balance between Compassion, and Wisdom.
The 6th Density is hence sometimes known
as the the Density of Compassionate
Wisdom, due to one having learnt the
balance between the two. This required
many incarnational cycles for you, which
is why you correctly feel that you have
not visited 3rd Density Earth for a long
ATS: I was not expected to show up, I
originally had other previous
engagements but I managed to get here at
the last minute. One of the things I
have remembered is that I am too under
contract. I am a walk-in, if that makes
sense to you, so my human family is not
like me. I have spent a long time
traveling to various densities and
helping in the various revolutions
HH: Your insight serves you well Shelby.
This not only applies to you, but your
entire Soul Group.
Quetzalcoatl (the Macrocosm of yourself)
has been busy for the last two cycles
working with a 5th Density group on
Alpha Centuri, who were experiencing
similar problems with an overabundance
of Compassion, at the cost [of] personal
Wisdom. You recently completed your
assignment there, and were eager not to
miss out on the glorious opportunity to
be a part of this Great Harvest. Whilst
your Group as I said, did eventually
learn to balance Love / Light to
Graduate into the 6th Density Unity
vibration, you still are very much prone
to extreme compassion, and rather than
take the usual period of time/space
(anti-matter universe, where we rest
between incarnations) you were keen to
jump aboard this 3rd Density space/time
whirlwind at this point, to be of
assistance to your fellow Beings here.
ATS: My problem is that my memory has
malfunctioned, and some of the things
that I have remembered from my previous
existences do not correspond with your
words. I have met Lucifer and his
generals, on more than one occasion. I
would appreciate any information you may
know of that could clear up my confusion
as to why my thoughts are so jumbled,
because I know what my path is clearly
and I am awaiting the starting point,
but I am not completely clear on what
truly is happening here. Thank you for
HH: You have indeed 'met' with us
(Lucifer) before, on many occasions. We
have worked together on various Council
and Confederation assignments. Use the
gift of your 'Dreamtime' communications
(which are important communications from
your OverSoul, and many other Sources
whereby information is "downloaded") to
'plug in' to your inner data-bank. Begin
recording everything you recall upon
awaking, and do not give up on the
process, even though it is hard at
first. You will begin to slowly make
sense of the information which is being
"downloaded" into your subconscious
mind. When you become proficient at
this, and can use your 'Dreamtime' as a
method of inner communication, ask our
Infinte Creator to remind you of your
time in the Zeta Reticuli system. You
will remember then our last period of
Service together, I would hope with much
Sadly, my time here is only permitted
until Friday, therefore we will not
likely communicate again after this
message. So I wish you the very best
with your Assignment here my friend,
both your individual one, and that of
your Group Soul. I ask that our Infinte
Creator bless and guide your path. We
look forward to seeing you on 'the other
side' when this grand ride is over.
Our Love, Wisdom and Peace be with you.
ATS: You mention Alcyone ... it's
interesting there's a celestial map of
it at Hoover Dam. There's also a
compass, framed by signs of the zodiac.
HH: Indeed. Just like in Hollywood
productions. We hide the Truth right out
in the wide open. What humanity is
offered as "Science Fiction", more often
than not, is actually Science Fact.
ATS: What do the winged statues,
commissioned by the U.S govt, guarding
the entrance at the dam really
represent? Is any of this collection of
celestial symbolism found there
connected to your luciferian/alien/equinox/transformation
HH: That is actually very simple. You'll
note that the feet point directly
downward to the earth, and the hands and
wingtips point directly up to the sky.
The Life-Force Energy flows
into the human mind/body/soul complex
from the earth up through the feet. The
Intelligent Energy from the Infinite
Creator flows down from above and in
through the crown chakra. The wings
represent our (Lucifer's) inherent
Divinity. You'll also note that the
figure is seated. "The seat of our
(Lucifer's) Power connects Heaven and
Earth, and all things must pass through
ATS: Other questions I have, and sorry
if you explained this. Are these
bloodlines the wealthy, as most assume,
or seemingly ordinary people (including
celebrities and politicians, etc),
blending in with society, going
relatively unnoticed, but yet
contributing to your cause in the
grander scheme of things?
HH: The names you know, have no real
power. Sure, they "appear" to have lots
of power, in the way earthbound souls
perceive power. Our wealth makes the
million and billionaire "celebs" and
corporate bigwigs look like a child's
pocket money. Our wealth is Family
wealth, which has passed down through
the generations over thousands of years.
True wealth however, is knowing deep in
your heart, that you and your Infinite
Creator, are One. "Seek ye first the
Kingdom of 'God' (Infinite Creator), and
all these things shall be added unto
ATS: So part of this question could also
be, are all of them aware they are part
of this bloodline, or are some members
oblivious to this connection they have?
Are they informed of this at a
particular age? For example, how and at
what age were you told you belonged?
HH: Yes. If you are Bloodline (Family),
you are born into it, and you are raised
this way, from birth. There is no other
way. I want to be clear on this
Bloodline issue. The ones you know, they
are of earthly lineage. Yes, they have
their place in the Family, but the Real
Power lines, do not originate from this
ATS: I have probably found this the
single most insightful thing so far. It
helps me to understand the answers to
some of the questions I've asked.
HH: I am glad. It is the probably the
singlemost important thing that I have
ATS: Unfortunately, its connotations
also alleviate the 'NWO' [def] of most
HH: That depends upon your perspective.
Does it alleviate the Negativity we have
perpetuated? No. Does it alleviate the
pain and suffering we have caused, and
are causing upon the planet? No.
Does it alleviate that we are closing
our End Game scenario, and soon to
openly come out and offer publically to
"save" the failing political and
financial institutions with our esteemed
Does that mean that you should give into
and feed the Negativity? No.
Does it alleviate that we will have to
spend a Cycle in Karmic restitution, to
balance this lifetime of overt
Does it mean that you should use the
Negativity as the tool that it is, to
show you that which you are not? Yes.
Remember, always, that this is a
beautiful Game that we are playing here
and co-creating together, with our
Infinite Creator. And that "off stage"
(between lives) we are the very best of
friends, and that no one really "dies"
and no one really "suffers", except in
the Game. The Game is not Reality.
Reality is Reality, and you have the
Power to Express your Reality within the
Game, once you have learnt how to do so.
ATS: You are essentially saying that a
soul can only choose positivity in a
world where negativity also exists. If
there were no protagonist in this world,
there'd be no opportunity for a human
soul to choose 'good' or 'evil' and thus
prove on a spiritual level that they
deserve one afterlife fate over another. If we only had positivity to
choose from, we'd learn nothing and our
souls would manage to prove nothing.
That is the reason why we came. It was a
great Sacrifice for us. Hard as it is to
comprehend from within the mental
confines of 3rd Density life experience,
we do it, because we Love you.
ATS: An extremely basic concept but one
I'd so far managed to overlook.
Unfortunately, for those of us who love
our Earthly existence (or rather, the
potential it has), it's rather difficult
to come to terms with a concept whereby
suffering and slavery are as natural as
love and happiness and that only after
this Earthly existence can we ever be
HH: I understand. Our job is to provide
the Catalyst. Your's is to use it. Can
you look beyond what your eyes are
showing you, to find and express Love
and Happiness in a world of Fear and
Distress? If you can, you will be as a
Beacon of Light into the Darkness. Will
you succumb to the Darkness, or will you
stand and shine your Divine Inner Light?
Only you can make that decision for
Think about this:
If the One Infinite Creator, is
Infinite, and has created everything
that Is (which It is, and It has), then
does the Infinite Creator not reside
within all things?
When you can see the Divine spark of the
Infinite Creator, even within those who
would mean you harm, the strong grip of
the illusion will begin to lose it's
power over you.
"Love your 'enemies', and pray for those
who persecute you".
ATS: Thank you Hidden_Hand. Whether
you're genuine or not, you've certainly
got me thinking and learning.
HH: You are very welcome. I am genuine,
but, would it matter even if I were not?
Remember, it is not who the messenger is
that is of the greatest import, but
rather, it is the nature of the Message
itself. I wish you well on your journey
Home. We will see you on the other side,
and we'll all have a good old laugh
about the parts we have played in this
ATS: Is there any way to cancel this
restriction? Because i could be just
very lazy or under this kind of spell
and want to know wich one it is. Does
sleep paralysis have anything to do with
it because i get that from time to time
with or without shadow figures.
HH: There is. Research and employ
Psychic Shielding techniques. There is
much information on the internet, so I
need not spend the little time we have
left going into that. Read many sites,
and listen to your Inner Voice. Your
Soul will guide you if you ask it. It
speaks in the language of Feelings. When
it "just feels right", usually, it is.
No, sleep paralysis is unrelated. That
occurs when your brain "awakes" from the
dream state before your body. Whilst
going through REM deep sleep, it is
natural for your body to become
paralyzed during the REM cycle, so as to
prevent possible injury whilst dreaming.
Sometimes when you awake too quickly
from a dream, your body just thinks you
are still dreaming, and thus the REM
paralysis continues for a while, usually
until you "shake" yourself awake, often
due to the difficulty to breathe.
ATS: And another question. Is it
possible that our essence can be
destroyed in the coming times or is that
just another scare-tactic?
HH: No. Your essence can never be
destroyed. You are a unique part of the
One Infinite Creator. You are an Eternal
Soul, currently residing in a physical
shell that you could call an
"earth-suit". Your earth-suit will
perish, but YOU cannot die. Nothing can
destroy the Infinite Creator, and you
and the Infinite Creator, are One.
ATS: I go to work to pay my bills, I
live a good life with friends, loved
ones, people I care about. I am
essentially a good person but I do have
the full range of emotions as a 'real'
human, ie, jealousy, hate etc. I guess I
would describe myself as 'luke-warm' to
use your phrase.
How can I as an individual take what you
say as the 'truth'?
HH: No one is asking you to. Never take
what another says to you as "Truth".
Your purpose here, is to find your own
Truth. Sometimes, others can help you to
do so by offering guidance, but for
their Truth to become your Truth, it
must pass through the test of your
discernment. Sit quietly in meditation,
and ask the Infinite Creator to guide
your path. Meditate upon that which I
have shared, and listen to your inner
feelings. They are the language of your
Use all your Negative emotions as they
arise, as the tools that they truly are.
Train yourself to notice when Negativity
arises in you. When you catch yourself
projecting a Negative thought, remember
that all thought is creative, and ask
yourself if that is really what you want
It takes a while to become proficient,
but do not give up. Just keep noticing
your Negative thought patterns as they
arise, and in so doing, simply choose
again, and select a response that is
more Positive. It is called 'working on
yourself', and is the main reason you
have chosen to be here right now. To
work upon yourself. I wish you well in
your transformation process.
ATS: I also read through the above link
from one calling themselves 'The
Insider', although his / her posts were
less sophisticated than yours. Was he
your predecessor? One of your ilk
charged with this 'disclosure'?
HH: A good question. I have just read
through that material. It was very
interesting. No, not a 'predecessor of
mine', and not a disclosure I was
previously aware of, which had it come
from my Family, would be highly strange.
Though, I note that he himself stated
that he is "from a minority", and
certain clues within his writing gives
me a very good idea which one.
I would say his material is around 60%
accurate. The feelings I get from
reading him, are not that he
intentionally included inaccurate
information, but that he was just not in
possession of the "bigger picture". Were
he to be from the "minority" group I
believe him to be from, that would make
ATS: So when the Harvest comes, my time
here is over and this conscious shell I
live in is no more, what then? What
happens to me? What happens to my
friends and loved ones? Are we, and by
we, I mean the vast vast majority of us
who possess this planet, this dimension,
this density, by and large going to be
ignorant of the events you foretell?
HH: This is a good question. I like
questions that come from the heart.
It depends upon the circumstances
surrounds your final moments of this
particular Lifetime. For example, let us
say that the physical aspect of you was
to do the thing called "die" during the
coming earth changes, you will
immediately return to that wondrous
realm in which we reside in between
incarnations, that which we call
time/space or 'anti-matter'. This is the
place that humans refer to as "Heaven".
There you shall meet with all those you
love who have also "died" during this
life experience, and enjoy a wonderful
and emotional reunion. You will meet up
with your Soul Group, and your Spiritual
Teachers. We all store a portion of our
Soul Energy on 'the other side' when we
come here. Depending upon the difficulty
level of the life-experience we've
chosen, we take more or less of our
Energy with us. For an average
"Lifetime", we typically bring between
60-80% of our Soul Energy into
incarnation with us. Therefore, even if
ones you love who are already back in
the world of Spirit have incarnated
again on another adventure, there will
still be a part of their Energy there to
meet with you, and welcome you Home. You
will then evaluate your life-experience
with your Teachers, and learn the
lessons of your successes and your
mistakes. You will then spend time in
learning and resting, before begining to
plan your next incarnation.
For those who do not physically "die"
before the Great Harvest arrives, there
will be a moment of "zero-point time",
where you will enjoy an ecstatic merging
with the Infinite Creator, giving you a
wonderful reminder and reassurance of
who and what you really are, before the
veil of forgetfulness once again
descends upon you, and you will be
transported to the place that awaits
you, depending upon whether you join us
in 4th Density Negative (unlikely),
Graduate to 4th Density Positive
(possible), or go to another similar 3rd
Density planet (for the "luke-warms") to
continue in your learning for however
many Cycles it takes you to Graduate to
4th Density Positive. Those in this
category will not remember anything at
the time of your transition, it will be
just like nothing has changed, except
you will retain the memory of your
"zero-point" experience to encourage
you. You will not remember the recent
experiences of the Harvest in this life
here. It just be as though you all had
some mystical experience, and life will
continue as 'normal' for you.
ATS: I find you difficult to believe and
yet you respond and inform in a very
sophisticated manner, it is quite
HH: That is good. I do not want for you
to blindly believe me. Too many on this
planet spend their entire lifetime doing
and thinking things because others say
that they are true.
What I want, is that my words become a
Catalyst for you. That is what we came
here to do. If my words cause you, even
if for just a short time, to stop for a
moment, and evaluate that which you
'think' you already know about the
nature of Life, and take for granted as
being true (because "everyone else
believes it"), then my time will have
been well spent. My desire is that you
become an Authentic Human Being,
thinking, and feeling, and deciding for
yourself what "feels" like Truth for
you. I wish you well in your endeavors.
ATS: You can't provide 1 shred of proof
that this isn't a hoax even though it
would be incredibly easy to do so, were
you who you claim you were.
HH: Won't. Not can't. Big difference.
This is not intended to be an object
lesson prophesy fulfillment.
If you think I thought that I would be
blindly believed, or even wanted for
that to happen, you are very much
mistaken. I would be disappointed if
that were to be the case, for you will
have learned nothing from my time here.
(Not you personally, I mean 'you' as in
people in general).
My task here, as has been my task
incarnating here for thousands of years,
is to provide a Catalyst. To make you
think. (Again, not 'you' personally, I
mean in general).
If I were to give you the "proof" that
you are looking for, if I were to
predict things and tomorrow they all
happen before your very eyes, people
would likely take everything I've said
here as "gospel". That would be
disasterous were that to occur, because
you will have learned nothing for
It's not about me. I'm just a messenger.
It's all about you (again, generally
speaking), and what you do in relation
to the Catalyst. Question what you
"think" you know about reality. Seek the
Infinite Creator within you, and ask for
"Ask, and you will receive. Search, and
you will find. Knock, and the door will
be opened for you".
ATS: I am a 32nd degree Mason, although
if you were really a royal bloodline
person you would know that it means
HH: If you have Genuinely attained the
level of "Sublime Prince of The Royal
Secret" through the Scottish Rite, or
that of the "Order of the Knight's
Templar" through the York Rite, and have
not been taught of the Truths of
Creation, then I would be very
interested indeed to know which area
Lodge you attend, as I would very much
like to speak with your current
Naturally I completely understand and
respect if you do not wish to make such
personal details known publicly though.
Of course. what you said in another post
about there only being three degrees is
true, for those attending the Blue or
Craft Lodges, though as you've stated
that you are 32nd degree, I'm presuming
you are either Scottish Rite, or the
York Rite's equivalent.
I hope to be able to be present
personally in the event that you are
ever invited to progress beyond the 33rd
Degree. I would like to be the one
tasked with introducing you to Lucifer.
I expect you will likely come back and
say how there is no further progression
beyond 33rd. Well, if you're lucky,
there will be a nice surprise in store
for you, somewhere down the line. I
sincerely hope that make it that far.
ATS: That your repeating debunked
conspiracy theory shows your just here
HH: That word "debunked" always brings
me a hearty laugh. Some people seem to
think that throwing the word "debunked"
around means that it really has been.
The vast majority of "debunking" has
more holes in it that the "conspiracy
theories" it's meant to be silencing.
Just enough of a "shell" to help those
who really don't want the Truth to be
True, to carry on believing that it's
not, so they can replace their heads
back into the sand for a while longer.
Anyway, I must press on with questions
from those with open minds, I leave you
with my regards, keep up your good work.
. . .
ATS: Over the course of my life I have
occasionally resorted to
prayer, some formal &
some not with truly astounding & nearly
instant physical results. I've taken
these results to heart as personal
evidence that some higher force or
forces can respond in a meaningful
manner to at least me & perhaps to
anyone; Still, I don't rule out the
possibility of coincidence. From your
vantage point, would you please be
gracious enough to shed light on this
HH: There is no such thing as
coincidence. Nothing happens by chance.
Life is in a constant process of
communication with us. Only mostly,
people are too busy to notice.
Our Infinite Creator longs to be close
to us. In truth, he is closer than most
would believe, they just don't notice
him. As they pass him by on the street
every day, when he gives them their
change at the shop, when you tuck her
into bed and give her a kiss goodnight,
when you squash him as he's running up
your bathroom wall toward his web. When
there's no-one else in the room but
The main reason people don't have their
"prayers" answered, is because they do
not really believe that they will. Don't
have "faith" in our Infinite Creator,
have Trust in him. The most Powerful
form of "prayer", is Thanksgiving. "For
even before you ask, I have already
given it unto you". Thanksgiving, is
knowing that our Infinite Creator has
provided for you as he promised, and
being thankful for that, even before you
see the results. The more we trust in
our Creator, the more results we get.
Life gives us what we expect we'll
receive. (Because all thought is
Creative). If we get up, and expect to
have a bad day, more often than not,
that's exactly what we'll get.
But remember, that it works both ways.
ATS: And this one would be the hoaxer's
sock puppet (new name, all posts in this
thread, acting as the coach for the OP),
created to give him/her the aura of
HH: Oh dear. You really are desperately
clutching at straws. Any Admin can have
the power to see if I'm using multiple
accounts. I would be more than happy for
an Admin to say if I am. Because I am
not. Two accounts will show for me.
"Hidden-Hand", my first one that I never
got the confirmation email for, and this
one, "Hidden_Hand", the one I did get
the confirmation for.
My Infinite Creator gives me the only
"credibility" that I need, or that I
want, for that matter.
ATS: Hidden_Hand, I've enjoyed reading
your posts if for nothing then the
unusual ( for ATS "whistleblowers"
anyway ) fact that it isn't bullet holed
with bad writing, grammer and typos. May
I respectfully recomend that you choose
another venue next time? ( I like
ProjectCamelot myself ). In anycase I'm
still reading with an open mind but
HH: Thank you. We are aware of Project
Camelot. They are doing some remarkable
work. Though I was not aware they also
have a forum, if that's what you are
suggesting? Not really my area usually,
dealing with the internet. In fact I
rarely have time to even venture onto
it. I have quite enjoyed this time of
relating to others over "cyber-space".
Well, if you're game for an
"assignment", or maybe someone else if
you haven't the time, I would be happy
for someone to collate this topic (minus
the "interruptions") so that the message
appears with just the actual flow of
questions and answers, and post it there
in one piece, if you so desire. As I
mentioned before, I chose ATS as I was
reliably informed that it is one of the
forums with a higher rate of
intelligence and reasoning amongst it's
members. On the whole, from my
experience here, I would tend to agree.
Though if you think it would be of value
to Camelot, by all means you are most
welcome to spread this message. The more
people it can reach, the better.
ATS: I have very few dreams now a days,
but I had one last night, and it urged
me to pose a question to you. I find it
amazing that out of all the topics the
universe has to offer, it offers me this
HH: Nothing by chance sir, nothing by
Dreams are a key method our Souls use to
speak with us. The conscious mind is too
busy and distracted most of the time, to
hear what Spirit has to say. So It tends
to use the subconscious instead.
ATS: Hidden_Hand, I have, for my whole
life searched near and far for answers
When I read your words I am compelled
from within to explore their complete
meanings and truthfulness. I am forced
to examine them to the fullest. And I am
charged with comparing them to the truth
HH: That is precisely that way it should
be. Again, I would encourage you NOT to
just blindly accept what I say as "the
truth". It never was my intention that
anyone should make such an error in
judgment. That is not to say that my
words are not True, but that one must
weigh them up, meditate upon them, and
decide for yourself in the light of your
intuition and inner feelings, whether or
not these words "feel" True for you.
ATS: Hidden Hand, my question I pose to
you, with the greatest respect and
humility, Who will you stand before when
we are all called home?
HH: We shall stand as all shall, before
our One Infinite Creator.
We already know that which awaits us, in
our coming 4th Density Negative Polarity
world. We shall have to experience the
Negativity of our own creation, and know
what it feels like. We shall have to
work off the Karmic effect of our
actions. But at the same time, knowing
that this is a beautiful and intricate
game that we are all co-creating here
together, we also know that we shall be
rewarded with a hearty "thank you" and
"job well done", for the Sacrifice we
have made, in bringing this Negative
Polarity into your Game for you, that
you may use it wisely, to see that which
you are not.
Thank you for your questions, we wish
you all the very best, and ask our
Infinite Creator to bless your path.
ATS: As you will be leaving us this
Friday I would be interested in finding
verification for other possible sources
of information for this knowledge. You
have mentioned the "RA" chanelings, but
I also see similarities in three other
sources which have been discussed in
this and other forums on the internet. I
would appreciate your evaluation of the
information coming from these sources in
the light of your messages. They are
ACIM (A course in Miracles, alledgedled
channeled by the Christos), The Edgar
Cayce Material (In which the RA entity
may have played a part), and the "Terra
Papers". Can those of us seeking to
continue our understanding of these
matters find anything of use from these
HH: ACIM has some core truths within it,
mainly along the lines of the Law of
Radiation and Attraction, but it is also
littered with inaccuracies.
I am not aware of "the Terra Papers".
Edgar Cayce's work is significant. There
are many distortions within it, but for
ones who are of a discerning mind, there
is much strong meat to be ingested from
it's reading. Keep an open mind, but
weigh it all up (as you should any
philosophy that you allow to enter into
the sacred space of your mind) and take
the Truths that resonate with you.
ATS: Also you mentioned 2 prior contacts
(1999 and 2003) can you shed some more
light and specifics on those sources as
I assume they are not to be considered
privileged to those who ask?
HH: Unfortunately that is beyond my
remit. The 2003 material was removed by
the Admins of the site it was shared at
as they felt it was "causing too much
controversy", and the 1999 material was
not released for the same reasons as
that which I am sharing here. There was
much Truth within it, but our goals have
changed in many ways since that time,
and it would be misleading for me to
point you in it's direction now, in fact
I have been specifically instructed by
my own upline not to do so. I am sorry.
ATS: Thank you for your assistance,
HH: You are welcome. That is a wonderful
word to have ended your communication
If one would genuinely live by it's
essence, "to recognize and honour the
divine spark within each of us" we would
be in for a massively Positive Harvest.
Namasté to you too. We ask that our One
Infinite Creator blesses you, and guides
ATS: I wonder if Hidden_Hand has read
something called The Law of One. I've
only picked through it (having just
stumbled on it after reading these
posts)...but it reads remarkably similar
to H_H's responses here.
So is this the hoax source, or is that
book instead the "truth?" Maybe H_H
HH: I have already made reference to
this (The Ra material) earlier in the
As I stated then, yes, it is the most
accurate public information available in
this world currently, and I strongly
recommend it's reading, to anyone with
an enquiring mind.
I read some, but not all of the books
when they first came out, some 25 years
or so ago, and it is very similar to the
knowledge my Family has, and have passed
down for many many generations.
It is approximately 85-90% accurate. The
inaccuracies occurred when the channel
was weak, and were not intentional. We
know Ra (the entity) very well, and are
happy that they are even now still
working here on this planet "behind the
scenes" to prepare for the Great
I think I'm up to date with your
questions now, if I have missed any
(that are not unimportant ones, such as
what car I drive for example), then
please let me know.
We have two sessions left together, and
then I must take my leave. Will look
forward to seeing you tomorrow.
HH: Ok, as I stated, unfortunately my
remaining time is shorter than planned.
This was unforeseen and unavoidable. I
will not have sufficient time to answer
all of your questions, so I will for the
most part, focus my remaining time with
you, upon responding to those questions
that I feel to be from the heart, ones
asked by those who are genuinely looking
to take something away with them of
import from our discourse here together.
My second focus will be upon answering
other intelligent or insightful
questions that can be used to further
develop our discourse. I desire to
impart as much as I am able with you, in
the short time we have left. I will
also, as far as possible, answer other
questions that I feel are important in
the grand scheme of things, meaning that
even if the question seems to be from
someone more intent on finding things to
"debunk", if that question ultimately
still serves a greater purpose, I will
do my best to reply.
Please bear in mind, that in light of
the above, many of my answers will need
to exercise more brevity that I would
ideally like, though this is necessary,
to respond to as many of you as I can..
Without further delay, I shall continue
with our discourse:
ATS: Do you know me? Do you know who i'm?
What part do i play in all this? When
will i awake? Will i awake? Should i
awake? I feel it in me, but i'm afraid
to let it out? Help me!
HH: Do I "know" you, as the individuated
human expression typing to me over
cyberspace? No, I do not.
What part do you play in all this?
What part do you want to play? The
choice, as always, is entirely yours.
Whether you are consciously aware of it
or not, you are co-creating the
storyline on this planet. My advice,
would be to do so consciously.
When will you awake?
When do you want to awake? Do you want
to awake at all? If your answer to this
question is "yes", then use the Catalyst
and tools we have provided for you. I
have made many subtle, not so subtle,
and even overtly blatant statements
within this topic, as to how you may
choose to do this.
"I feel it in me, but i'm afraid to let
it out? Help me!"
Why are you afraid? Do not reply to that
question, but rather, ask it to
yourself, during your quiet time, where
you work upon yourself. You do work upon
yourself, don't you? If not, now would
be a good time to start. Sit in silence.
Switch off all non essential electrical
appliances. Eg; leaving the refrigerator
on, would probably be a good idea. (The
electromagnetic field they create
disturbs your brainwave patterns, and
makes it difficult for your mind to
achieve the deeper alpha and theta
states conducive with relaxing deeply
and hearing your inner voice).
Ask your Infinite Creator to help you.
Thank her, because you know that he
Be honest with yourself. Why are you
Remember that this is a Game that you
are playing, and that it is not Reality.
When you find, and come to know your
Creator living within you, you will know
that there is nothing to fear.
Be the strong and courageous Soul that
deep down, you know yourself to be. Do
not hide your Inner Light. Trust
yourself, and shine your light into the
We ask our One Infinite Creator to guide
you, and illuminate your path.
ATS: Are the PTB [Powers That Be,
Wes Penre's comment] focusing on creating a
negative point in the universe to upset
the balance of our universe?
ATS: Was the 911 ritual the creation of
a star gate?
HH: No, it was a Ritual Human Sacrifice.
That, and the obvious catalyst for the
so called "War on Terror".
ATS: So could the predictions of
federation of light's "Goodchild" could
have been true in a sense instead of a
UFO or our understanding of a UFO could
be light bearers influencing mankind
ascend / descend to a higher/lower
HH: She has a good heart. She just tuned
into the "wrong channel" and listened to
the wrong programme. I mentioned before,
that if one does not exercise the
appropriate protection, and discernment,
what was initially a positive channel
can very easily become unknowingly
corrupted by a negative one. When they
start giving you dates and times, you
know that something is amiss. Giving
dates and times that are not going to
come to pass, succeeds in putting out
the Light of the 'channeller's message,
by destroying the credibility of the
ATS: Is the creation of fear, terror,
horror and suffering by your kind to
create loosh emotions for feeding at the
time of harvest?
ATS: Are the bloodlines that have been
infused with the ancient wisdoms trying
to become god’s themselves?
HH: There is no need to try. Humanity
needs to grow beyond the stagnating
concept of "gods". The idea of "god"
takes the Power out of your own hands,
and places it upon some shadowy unknown
figure, somewhere "out there". In other
words, outside of yourself. Instead of
"god", see "Creator".
So, there is no need to "try".
We already are Creators. And so are you.
The only question is, will you Create
Consciously, or sub-consciously?
ATS: What is 11.11?
HH: Think of it as an alarm clock. What
are alarm clocks for?
ATS: Please explain how new born babies
are infused with spirits after birth.
HH: They are not. A Soul enters into
It's physical container usually long
before the birthing process, sometimes
later, but still before the actual
ATS: Does a website like this serve the
purpose of negative generating?
HH: That depends upon how you use it. It
has the potential to be either negative
It is up to you how you use the
ATS: What is wrong with having an ego
and why do the new age religions try to
suppress the ego? Without an ego is
seems as though one can't ponder his own
existence. Or in fact learn from the
wealth of knowledge that we are
searching for in making mistakes and
correcting those mistakes.
HH: There is nothing "wrong" with having
Your ego is an excellent and invaluable
tool. Yet, as with any tool, if you do
not have it under control, it carries
the potential to become dangerous, and
do you and others much harm.
ATS: H.H., strangely, my concern is that
I will be recycled back onto the wheel
of life and be reborn with a new brain
and lose everything I have so arduously
learned in this life time.
HH: Your Soul remembers everything
you've ever experienced. The only reason
you don't remember it all now, is due to
what we term the "veil of
forgetfulness". If you came into each
new incarnation with access to your Soul
memory, there's no point in your coming
into space/time. It would be like
playing a computer game with all the
cheats. You wouldn't learn anything, and
it takes the fun out of playing the
game. Remember that this current
physical body you carry around with you,
is not who you are. It's just the vessel
for your essence. Who you are, is Real,
and cannot be destroyed. You will retain
all your memories of this life
experience once you pass onto the realm
of time/space, or that which some call
"Heaven". space/time is illusion,
time/space is Real. That Infinite Being
living within and around your "body",
namely your Soul, is who you really are.
The part of you that thinks, and feels,
and loves. It will always be a part of
ATS: My dream is to be a master such as
HH: I am not a Master. I am a growing
and evolving Soul, just as you are.
We're just at different stages of our
development. You will get to where you
desire to be. It takes time and
patience. Be sure to make time to enjoy
ATS: I endeavor each day to master
myself and change. To develop a mind
that has mastery over my body. I feel I
have come so far in this life time and
yet not far enough.
HH: You are on the right path, in that
you are consciously choosing to work
upon yourself. Many there are in this
world, who are not even aware of such a
concept. Remember though, that it is not
only the mind you must develop, but also
your Soul. Work with your feelings as
well as your thoughts. Cultivate
Compassion (as that is the main thing
you will begin working with in 4th
Density). See yourself within all
"others", and treat "others" as you
would like to be treated yourself. Then
remember this one crucial thing:
There are no "others".
ATS: My dream is to one day personally
meet great masters like yourself and
learn what you know.
HH: Then here is what you must do:
Go and find yourself a mirror. Gaze
deeply into it, and then say this magic
And you will indeed meet with us, back
stage, once the game is over. When you
see us "out of costume" you will
recognize us as your age old friends.
ATS: Thank you for coming here and
sharing your vast knowledge of the
universe. I have much to ponder.
HH: You are welcome. Thank you for your
questions. I feel the desire within you
to progress. You have it Within yourSelf,
to be all that you wish to become, and
much more that you cannot yet even
We look forward to sitting down for a
good old reminisce with you on the other
side. In the meantime, keep Trusting in,
and working upon yourself, and live each
moment in Thanksgiving, to our One
May our Infinite Creator bless and guide
ATS: Honored sir (or madam)
I wish to be the one to bring a new
planetary energy system to the world. As
it is assumed that the "families" have
great knowledge, I humbly request access
to this small bit of needed information.
A U2U message to set up a more secure
route of communication would be
splendid, I presume.
I am aware I can never be a "member",
but "acolyte" would suffice.
I am also aware a trade off would be in
the offing, and discussions of such
would be held with respect, though not
with guaranteed acceptance.
I await your reply.
HH: I am sorry, that this is not
possible. One is Born into the Family,
and raised in a very specific and
rigorous way, which engenders unwavering
Loyalty. No matter how keen and sincere
one may be to "join" us, we can only
place our trust in those raised in our
ways. I would not wish the conditioning
process we go through on anyone, it can
be grueling at times, and it is too late
to begin the process once childhood has
As for further communication,
unfortunately this is also not possible
or allowable for me.
I have given as much information as is
permissible for me, during this
discourse. There are many informational
"gems" within these pages, for those who
truly seek to develop themselves. Some
are obvious, others are more subtle and
multi-layered. Take them "within", and
ask your Infinite Creator to bring you
We wish you well upon your journey, and
look forward to seeing you at the "aftershow"
ATS: I'm still not clear on what this
harvest is. A "harvest" means to reap
what has been sown - by you!
HH: Not by us. We did not sow, our
Infinite Creator did. We do not reap,
our Infinite Creator does.
We help to prepare the Harvest, by
separating the wheat from the chaff, for
want of a more eloquent metaphor.
ATS: Will it be an instantaneous change,
of which there will no longer exist the
physical realm as we currently know it
to be and are experiencing as an
HH: I have already covered this
elsewhere in the topic. I would
encourage you to read through again, and
find the information I have already
presented on how the Harvest will occur,
and what the different variations of
experience will be.
ATS: Thank you for answering my previous
questions. I have some more, if that's
1. How can karma be overcome, if at all?
Is there an end to the karmic cycle?
2. Is time really as we perceive it, or
is it another 3D illusion?
3. Are your family members born with the
knowledge of what they are and where
they're from? If not, and it's all
taught and passed down, have you ever
doubted or questioned any of it?
HH: You are welcome.
1). No, Karma cannot be 'overcome', it
must be 'worked off'. In other words, if
you've hurt someone, be it physically,
emotionally, or however else, you will
have to, at some future point,
experience what that felt like for them.
The Law of Karmic Effect is not a
'punishment', it is a tool of learning,
which is set in place to promote
personal growth and development. If you
have to feel the consequences of your
actions, there is a higher likelihood of
your choosing a different course, the
next time around. It is also important
to hold in mind that it works both ways.
Seek therefore to ensure that the effect
of your presence upon those 'others'
whom you encounter upon your journey,
are positive and beneficial.
A Karmic Cycle is brought to
completion once you have learned the
lessons intended for you from it. If you
keep repeating the same mistakes, you'll
keep cycling until such a time as you
get the message, and break the cycle.
But yes, ultimately, all of us will
learn that which we need to learn, and
all of us will find our way Home. For
some, it just takes longer than others.
2). Linear time is more accurately
described as an intentional fabrication.
The true nature of time, is cyclical.
Though, remember also, that even
cyclical time, is part of Creation, and
Creation, beautiful as it may be, is
also an Illusion, or more accurately, a
Thought-Form of our Infinite Creator.
Creation is not Real, but the Creator
and Co-Creators of it, are.
3). This is an excellent question. I
will devote some time to it:
Firstly, there is a distinction to be
made. When I speak of Family in this
particular reply, I am referring to the
Power lines, ie; those that do not
originate from this planet. The
bloodlines that you know of, whilst they
are a part of our extended Family, are
not born with the same extent of
(Spiritual/Esoteric) Power that we are,
and in this response, I am referring to
our True and Pure Family. We are not
born with the same veil of forgetfulness
as you are. The veil is still in place,
but would be most accurately described
as being somewhat "thinner". We see the
"invisible" connections of life which
are hidden from you, because we retain
access to more than just the 3rd Density
perspective. Not dissimilar to the
manner in which some people can see what
you call auras. This is because you are
working your way up, whereas we have
chosen to step down, in order to help
you. We could not do this as
successfully if we had to forget all
that we have learned. In other words, to
you, everything "appears" as being
"separate". We see that this is not the
case. We do not have 'direct' Soul
Memory, as in the manner that you
remember what you did yesterday, but we
may access any portion of our Soul
memory we so chose when we focus upon
it, often in a meditative state.
Personally, my experiences are different
again, in other ways, due to my
specialty in the Spiritual disciplines.
But I will go into that in more detail
later, in response to another question.
Yes, information is indeed passed down,
though unlike for yourselves, any one of
us may, with some effort, check the
validity of that information from our
Personal and Group Soul Memory.
basically, where you see yourselves as
"separate" human beings, we see and
Know, that we are One.
ATS: Then I am glad I picked up on that
particular point. I found it to be a
real ray of light. Though, I'm unsure
what to do with it. This information
feels as though it should comfort me,
and yet it's difficult to feel
comfortable knowing that 'evil', in
part, makes us who we are. But thank you
HH: "Evil" is Not who you are. It is
part of the complex series of illusions,
that you use in 3rd Density, to show you
who you are not. The further up through
the Densities you work, the less
Polarity plays an important part in the
game. The Sixth Density, the Density of
Unity, is the last level that Polarity
is a factor, but even then, it factors
in a very different way. Instead of
balancing Positive / Negative, you will
be balancing Love / Light, Compassion /
ATS: True, and I'm glad you pointed that
out to me. I think what I really meant
when I said you are "alleviated" is that
your very essence is not 'evil' or
corrupt. And this alleviates you from my
perspective because I'd forged an idea
of the ruling elite as being comprised
of terminally corrupted souls.
HH: No Soul is terminally corrupted.
Every Soul is a beautiful individuated
portion of our One Infinite Creator.
Souls play characters in the Game of
Incarnation. Souls can play some really
mean and nasty characters, but
underneath the disguise, they will
always be beautiful. Remember this,
everytime one of these beautiful Souls
'mistreats' you as a part of their
storyline. They're just playing their
part, like any good actor does whilst on
stage. Be thankful to them for their
Sacrifice, and learn the lessons they
are bringing to you.
ATS: You say we all mingle between
incarnations but I suspect the nature of
our perception and interaction in that
realm is not comparable to our Earthly
methods of interaction and therefore, as
a united entity there'll be no
independent 'laughter' . I have a few
(what I feel are probably final)
questions for you:
HH: Not so. Think in terms of
individuated Souls, who can see and
understand that they are not separate,
but interconnected. It is an illusion,
that "space" is "empty". You will still
interact as an individual, yet at the
same time, you will see how we are all
One. It is difficult to explain in a way
that makes 3rd Density sense. We just do
not have the words or concepts to
We no longer need words where we are
ATS: 1) How do you know all this? And I
really mean KNOW. Clearly you have been
taught in great depth about the nature
of existence. But how do you know this
first hand? How is it more than faith
for you? Have you been able to avoid
'forgetting' upon reincarnation?
HH: I have made reference to this, in my
answer to the previous poster.
ATS: 2) You seem to be suggesting that
your methods of physical enslavement are
intended to force us into spiritual
awakening. But if that is so, why are
methods of spiritual suppression used
against the general populace (chemicals,
organised religion, sociological)? I
understand why you obstruct our material
lives but not why you obstruct our
HH: Think of it as a "test".
Have you ever noticed, how just when you
'think' you've found something that
really "feels" like Truth for you,
something will come along to make you
doubt it? To make you doubt the truth,
and in so doing, to also doubt yourself
in believing it?
It happens all the time, in fact, almost
every time you have some new revelation
that gets you all excited. And it
happens, quite by design. You cannot see
this however, as it's happening beyond
3rd Density comprehension, in a realm
where everything can be seen as
adjoining and relating to everything
else. Syncronicity. All a magical part
of our Infinite Creator's ingenously
Creative mind, and excellent sense of
humour and irony.
Can you see how the "test" works?
Just when you find something that you've
weighed up and dissected with your
discernment, and decided to integrate it
into your concept of "Truth", along
comes the challenge to your newfound
beliefs. Usually in the form of an
event, or something that 'others' may
say to disuede you.
Your Spiritual development, like all
other aspects of your progression, is
something that you have to work for. How
do you know if your newly discovered
'truth' is really True, if you're never
tested on it.
The test, is this:
In the face of a challenge, who do you
Do you trust what the "outside world" is
Or, do you hold fast to that which
"feels" like Truth, deep within you?
That is something you can only answer
I am sorry I do not have the time left
to respond to all of your questions, so
I selected the ones I felt to be the
I have enjoyed our communication
Cythraul, and am happy to have made your
Well, I must press on with more
questions. I ask that our Infinite
Creator bless and guide you on your
path, and give you the Courage of your
Be well friend, I look forward to
meeting up with you when we've completed
ATS: I have one more question for you if
What question has not been asked as of
yet that is most important for us to
know if any? And if there is any would
you consider it asked now? Not sure if
this one does any good but it stuck in
my mind last night.
HH: An excellent, and incisive question
I think what I shall do, is to save this
question, for the very end of our
It will be an effective way to bring our
time together to a close.
ATS: Hidden_Hand, I know you're trying
to focus on spiritual questions and
questions about the density shift. But
if you could detract for a moment to
answer my questions about shape shifting
I'd appreciate it.
HH: I will, but must be very brief, I am
Shapeshifting is not a "natural"
phenomenon. "Shapeshifting" creatures /
races do not exist, at least certainly
not in any realm, Galaxy or Density we
have ever experienced.
However, there are certain Rituals that
when engaged in, enables this to take
It has to do with the fact that the
body, as is true of all physical things,
is not really solid. Sure, it looks and
feels as if it is, but in actuality, all
matter is composed of atomic and
sub-atomic particles of Light, within
molecules and compounds. As I say, I'm
being brief through necessity, and don't
have time to go into the science.
There are certain Rituals which when
undertaken, allow for a range of
'manipulations' of the so-called 'solid'
bodily mass to take place. I have seen
some grotesque images in my time, which
I really prefer not to dwell upon.
I trust that even if in some small way,
this will have answered your query.
And this next question, I will have to
finish on for tonight. I have somewhere
I must be.
ATS: H_H, I wish to thank you for your
It has been an utmost pleasure of mine
to read what you have spoken.
I do however have a couple of
As I look into myself, I see (feel) as
though I am an old soul who has learned
many things and possibilities, how are
we to know how far along we have come in
regards to obtaining a higher spiritual
being during the coming Harvest?
HH: You are most welcome. Appreciation
is always appreciated.
I am unsure whether your question refers
to now, or once the Great Harvest is
accomplished, I've already touched on
what happens after in a few replies. so
I'll go with the former.
As for now, there is a simple method to
check upon your progress.
Despite what "appears" to being going on
in "the world at large", how loving and
harmonious are your personal
Remember that the world, is your mirror.
Casting back at you the reflection, of
that which you have projected into it.
How many arguments do you find yourself
engaging in? Is there bitterness and
acrimony within the ranks? Do you look
at others, and think about how you would
like to change them? Or, do you love
them, and accept them as they are?
Loving and accepting someone, for who
they are, is known as Unconditional
Love. That is something you will spend
much time working upon, when Graduating
into 4th Density Positive. It's a good
idea to get a headstart. Now, loving and
accepting someone as they are, does not
mean accepting abusive behavior. But, it
does mean loving and accepting the
person (Soul), not the Soul's behavior.
The behavior is not "who they are", the
Soul within, is who they are.
The quality of your relationships, is an
excellent mirror, from which to gauge
the quality of your output. Or, in other
words, that which you are Creating.
Do you look at a person, and concentrate
to a greater or lesser extent, upon the
things that you dislike about them and
wish would change, or the qualities that
you like and admire in them?
Remember that we have said, that all
thought, word, and deed, is Creative.
You get back Exactly what you send out.
So, when you send out the thought "Why
is she so hard to live with? Why is he
always behaving like this?
Ask yourself, what exactly are you
Now focus here, as this is so obvious,
you could miss it. And in fact, most do.
Take away the "question" from your
sentence, and essentially, you are
"She is so hard to live with". "He is
always behaving like this".
Do you see what you are doing?
Remember, All thought is creative..
You have just created the very behaviour
in that person, that you wish to change.
Simply because you do not understand the
Law of Radiation and Attraction.
Now, try an experiment:
Take someone in your life, that you
love, but sometimes have trouble getting
Think, about the thoughts you have
projected about that person. The
Negative thoughts. Ask yourself, does
the behavior that you do not like in
that person, in any way correspond to
the thoughts you have been having about
them? If you're honest with yourself,
it's a strong bet that it does.
Sure, they must have behaved that way in
the first place, to make you notice that
you didn't like it, but, we all have off
days sometimes. The more you focus on
that behavior, the more you are going to
see of it. It's just Life, doing what it
does, and conforming to your
expectations about the way it will be
Now, having recognized this, what will
you do about it?
Simply notice your Negative thoughts as
they arise, literally, "catch yourself"
as you are having them. And then, simply
change your perspective. Focus instead,
about the things you like about this
person. How you love their smile, the
sound of their happy laughter; the way
they do such and such nice thing, how
helpful and loving they can be. Keep
putting those positive thoughts out.
Persevere, as you may have a bit of
negative work to undo first, but just
keep catching yourself, and focusing on
Then prepare yourself for an "almost
magical" transformation of your
Always monitor your thoughts, and pay
attention to their Quality; because what
you think about, is directly related to
what you will see around you, and what
Life will show you. It is the difference
between conscious, and subconscious
ATS: And what of our Loved Ones, or more
appropriately, my soul mate who I Love
dearly. Will I be able to take this new
Journey of the Harvest alongside my
HH: That will depend upon whether or not
you both Graduate, or have to repeat the
cycle. Though rest assured, even if for
one lifetime you were to be apart, you
will always be together in time/space
(between incarnations) and you will be
able to plan many future 'lives'
ATS: And one more thing as I know there
are others who are longing for questions
Why do we Dream in Metaphors which make
HH: I do not have time left tonight to
respond sufficiently, but the short
version is that the Universal Mind
speaks in Archetypal Imagery. In a
similar way that the writing in some of
our Oriental languages uses a system
whereby a collection of words or
meanings are contained within what is
essentially a 'symbol', so the Universal
Mind uses Archetypes to communicate in
Dreamtime. Just like understanding any
new dialect, you just need to learn the
ATS: Thank you so very much H_H, I
strongly wish I may meet you someday and
have a good talk.
HH: You are very welcome, and it will
happen as you wish.
Not now, in this lifetime, but soon,
when we have finished playing this game
together. No rush though friend, we've
got all the time/space in the world. All
the time/space in Creation actually.
I must go now for tonight. I shall do my
best to reply to as many of you as I
possibly can do tomorrow, before I must
take my leave.
Goodnight to you all. I ask that our
Infinite Creator bless and watch over
HH: This will be our last session
I will do my very best to pack in as
much as we can.
I am sorry for those who must have
missed my earlier post from yesterday
which clearly stated that I already have
more questions than I have time to
answer, and that you have spent the time
in writing our new ones. My time is so
limited, I am unable to respond to you.
I have a long journey I must make
shortly, and cannot be late for it.
ATS: I have always been very confused
and not clear on the subject of "god",
having been tossed around from religion
to religion from my parents it is hard
to discern which "god" to believe or
have faith in. Should I keep on having
faith in the fact that the world around
me is "god" and that there is not one
particular being that deserves this
HH: Religion is either actually created,
or at very least, heavily influenced by
us. There is no such things as "god".
"God" is a human concept, which is a
misunderstanding of the original concept
of "Creator". This is further confused,
as there are many macrocosmic level
Creators, or Logos, as has been
explained previously. "God" implies some
separate entity which is 'outside' of
you, which you must supplicate to and
worship. Our One Infinite Creator, and
almost all of our Logos and sub-Logos',
do not want your worship. They want you
to understand Creation, and your place
within it, as a Co-Creator. Ultimately,
there is a "Supreme Being", in the form
of the One Infinite Creator, but we are
all a part of It, rather than it's
subjects. None of the names given for
this "Supreme Being" by your religions
are the true name, but they are indeed
correct, in that there is One Supreme
Being, namely the Infinite Creator. They
just have different concepts about It,
which spring from the texts their
religion is based upon.
Do not 'worship' your Infinite Creator,
but rather live in a state of
Thanksgiving and Service to It, for
bringing you into Being, and for this
amazing Game It has Created, in which we
may forget who we really are, in order
to remember, and know ourself one again,
as the Creator.
ATS: So basically the form that we have
is actually just a body with bones and
skin and so on and so forth, what
matters is our soul or being that is
inside us that makes us question and
deal with our surroundings and life, so
when we "die" the pain and suffering is
just part of our human shell, and has
nothing to do with our soul or being
which will carry on into the next life
HH: Indeed. 'pain' and 'suffering' are
just aspects of the Game. They feel
extremely real whilst we are playing the
Game, and indeed they have to, in order
to make you believe that the Game is
real. No-one really "dies". But rather,
the 'matter' of human form is shed, much
like the chrysalis of a caterpillar,
when the butterfly emerges. Look upon
physical incarnation as the chrysalis in
which you may transform.
ATS: I feel as though I am like Shelby,
but have lost my way, or I am just so
confused and not in-tune with my
inner-self that I can not figure out
what is my purpose in this game. Is
there anything you can shed upon this?
HH: Your purpose in the Game, is to work
upon yourself. To grow, develop, and
transform yourself into a more positive
and loving being. You had certain goals
that you planned to achieve before
incarnating here, which is a main reason
for the veil of forgetfulness being in
place, because if you already knew what
your goals were, the Game would be too
Look at the things in your life that you
most love to do. Ask yourself what makes
you most happy. Experience these things
as often as possible, as they will be
related to some of the things you chose
to put into your Soul contract to do
Also, look at the negative things, that
often seem to recur during your
lifetime. It will be highly likely that
these are also things that you chose to
come here to work upon. Let us say for
example, that you chose to come here to
work upon patience during this
incarnation. You will likely find that
you have a tendency towards impatience,
and that life will often bring many
experiences to you, in order to 'test'
your patience. The idea being, that
rather than losing your temper, you work
upon your impatience, and resolve to
become a more temperate and patient
This same analogy may be applied to all
manner of circumstances in which life
will test you. Look for and begin to
identify any recurring issues you have,
that you perhaps struggle to deal with,
and seem to present themselves to you,
time and time again. Perhaps anger,
being abusive, selfishness, hatred,
cynicism, and the list goes on. Whenever
you find recurring circumstances, it is
because you are being presented with
opportunity after opportunity, to work
upon these issues, until you get it
right, and choose a way of behavior that
is more Positive. Once you've
successfully identified these issues
within your life, worked upon them, and
used them as the tools of transformation
that they are, to improve the quality of
your character, you will notice that
these things seem to almost cease to
appear in your life. You will still be
presented with them at varying
intervals, to check that you have not
forgotten that which you have learned,
but they will be fewer and far between.
I hope this may give you some clues as
to how to identify the things you came
here to do, and how to go about working
ATS: My life has been a troubled one for
awhile now, having been so soaked and
brainwashed into the human life form and
way of life, but lately I feel as though
I am starting to wake up and see things
more clearly. Am I doomed because of the
path I have taken for most of my life,
or can I still save my "soul"?
HH: You are not 'doomed', and your Soul
does not require 'salvation'. No-one's
Soul does. There is nothing to 'save' it
from. It is good to hear that you are
awakening, and that is another reason
why I am here at this time, speaking
with you. Our Infinite Creator has many
messengers, and he uses us all in our
own unique ways, to help with the
Awakening, and prepare as many as
possible, for the coming Great Harvest.
But as I say, you are not 'doomed', and
there is nothing to save yourself from,
except perhaps, from ignorance. And I do
not mean that in an insulting way, but
rather, ignorance as in a 'lack of
understanding'. At the very worst, you
will have to repeat as many 3rd Density
Cycles as is necessary, in order for you
to learn the things you need to learn,
in order to progress and Graduate to 4th
Density Positive. But one thing is for
sure, you will get there in the end. All
will find their way Home, to our
Infinite Creator. Rest also assured,
that you will not find yourself 'lost'
in your cycling. At the end of each
physical incarnation, as I've previously
stated, you return to time/space, or
that which has been described as
"Heaven", where you shall once again
know yourself as you truly are, a unique
and beautiful Soul, and a part of our
Creator. You only forget who you are
during incarnation. The object of the
Game, is to wake up within the 'dream',
and in effect, become a 'Lucid Gamer'.
To remember who you really are during
the Game, and to then begin working upon
the things you came here for. Re-reading
this topic, with discernment, will
provide you with plenty of clues on how
you may choose to go about this.
ATS: Thank you for your time here with
us, and I wish you the best, it has been
a pleasure speaking with you and
listening to your knowledge.
HH: We wish the same for you Brother,
and ask that our Infinite Creator bless
you and guide your path. See you when we
ATS: So, is the harvest an "all or
nothing" event or will it be a mixed
harvest—a few moving to fourth density,
a few moving towards fourth density in
service to self, the great majority
repeating third density? And if only 94%
go to fourth density negative, then you
have to repeat 3rd density and try again
for a 95% negative harvest? If so, then
I would hate to imagine how much more
negative your people would make the
earth at that point.
I'm still confused about your part in
this. In order for you to move on the
4th level, it must be a 95% negative
harvest. In other words, to reward your
people with 4th density, 95% of the
human souls have to be (in the
self-contemplation process) as far away
from the "Infinite Source" as humanly
possible. That just doesn't "feel" right
HH: It does not 'feel' right to you, as
it is not right. You have not entirely
grasped the concept. I shall attempt to
The Harvest is Mixed. Those who are 51%
or over on the Positive path will
Graduate to 4th Density Positive. There
you will work upon Love and Compassion,
and it will be a very beautiful world to
reside within for you. There will be
very little negativity. Just a small
enough amount that you can still use it
to exercise your Free Will in choosing
who you are not, but it will be so much
more obvious than it is here, that the
negativity is a tool to be used. You
will see the interconnectedness of all
things, and you will know that you are
not 'separate' from one another, or from
life Itself. You will not use words
much, unless you choose to. Telepathy
becomes the normal method of
communication. Everything is open, and
you cannot hide your thoughts from
From that incarnation onwards, you will
not have to experience 3rd Density
incarnation again, unless you later
choose to do so from Higher Densities,
as we have done, in order to perfect the
art of Service, or unless you somehow,
in a 4th Density world of abundant love
and beauty, inextricably manage to be
95% Negative at a time of future
Harvest, and slide back down the snake,
instead of ascending up the ladder, to
use another 'Game' metaphor.
Back to 'this' current Great Harvest,
do not require a 95% Negative Harvest,
as you have deducted. Instead, what we
require, is for US to personally attain
a 95% Negative Polarity for ourselves,
not for you. WE must be 95% Negative (at
least), in order to Graduate to 4th
Density Negative, and earn the
opportunity to clear our Karmic Record,
of all the Negativity we have Created on
this planet, before returning to our
rightful place as 6th Density Guardians
of our Galaxy, and teachers of Wisdom to
those in lower Densities that ask for
our assistance. If we do not make it, we
will remain trapped in the 3rd Density
Cycle with all those between 94%
Negative and 50% Positive (what I termed
'luke-warm's'), and have to continue to
provide Negative Polarity for you. Harsh
as it is, our only way out, is to be as
Negative as possible, to Graduate. We
cannot choose to be Positive, because
that is not what we came here to do for
you. That's why I often have referred to
all the horrible things we've done here,
as our Sacrifice.
ATS: You said that the "lukewarm people"
at the time of harvest would not notice
anything has happened, but they'd be on
a different planet. Do you mean that
they'd wake up with no memory of what
has occurred but still be in the same
physical body, or they'd wake up in a
new physical body with no memory of any
HH: There will be a short experience of
'zero-point time', where you feel
utterly "at One" with your Infinite
Creator. It will be a feeling of
blissful, ecstatic expansiveness and
Unity, whilst your physical vehicles
(bodies) are dissolved back into Light,
and transported to your new environment.
When that transition is complete, the
'zero-point time' will end, and you will
'appear' in your new 'game-zone'
(planet). You will look the same, think
the same, feel the same, in fact, it
will be just like you all had some
mystical experience, and life will carry
on as 'normal' for you. Same houses,
family situations, jobs, friends,
lovers. Everything will seem the same as
before, you will not remember the Great
Harvest or earth changes that occurred
as the planet Earth heals and
regenerates herself. But you will recall
your 'mystical experience' and that will
give you hope and a new opportunity to
choose a more positive future for
There will still be the same Negative
Polarity to overcome, but if we are
successful in our Negative Graduation,
(which we shall be) others are standing
by to take our places pulling the
strings from "behind the scenes". We
have more than done our job, in
discharging our Service to you. And we
are tired. It is time for us to clear
our Karmic Record, and return to being
the Being of Light which is our True
ATS: You keep saying help is available
to those searching for truth, all we
have to do is ask. What is the best way
to go about this? I have never had the
ability to remember any of my dreams.
HH: Read back, I have given guidance on
dream recall previously. it takes
practice, and is a slow process, but you
have to start somewhere, Be patient with
ATS: What specifically can I do to
receive guidance on how to reach the
state where it is easier to discern
truth from untruth?
HH: Work upon yourself. Go inside, in a
state of meditative contemplation. Still
your mind, that your Soul may have room
in which to make It's 'still-small
voice' heard. Ask your Infinite Creator
to help you, and listen to your inner
voice. Be patient, it takes time to
develop this inner communication, after
a lifetime of neglect. When you
persevere and keep working on yourself,
gradually it will come to you, and when
it does, you must learn to TRUST in your
Inner Guidance, NO MATTER WHAT OTHERS
MAY SAY. That is the ultimate test. To
Trust what you know deep inside as your
Truth, even when the whole world tells
you that you are "wrong". It is hard
work, to Trust yourself when all those
around you doubt you and call you crazy,
but it is the job you came here to do.
The only real and lasting Truth, is a
'self-realized' one. Messengers can come
and go, and show you Truth until they're
blue in the face, but it will not be
Your Truth, until you have realized for
yourself, deep within the Core of your
Being, that it 'feels' True for you.
You should never accept something as
true, just because someone tell you it
is so. But when your inner voice guides
you that a Truth is True, and you feel
that old warm feeling of excitement
welling up from somewhere deep within,
that says "Yes! I knew it!" Hold on to
that feeling, (feelings are the language
of your Soul) and Guard it carefully, as
you can be sure that your newfound
beliefs will be challenged in many ways.
It is designed this way, to test you.
Your Inner Truth must be able to
withstand the test of time, and will be
given a thorough examination. Hold fast
to it, so long as it is what you Know to
be True deep within. Allow nothing or
no-one 'outside' of you to pull you from
your path, no matter how fiercely they
contend with you. They are just doing
their job, even if they may well not
even be 'aware' that this is what they
are in fact doing. They are performing
an important service to you, and you
should be grateful to them for that.
We wish you well on your journey, and
ask our Infinite Creator to protect and
guide you upon your path.
"arc de triumphe":
I do not have the time to go into your
many questions, so I will just select a
few I can answer briefly, as I still
have so many questions to get through.
ATS: Do the Orion/occultist groups
specifically target civilizations before
they become a social memory complex.
HH: Yes, but that does not make them
immune to targeting others too, if they
allow any chinks to appear in their
armour. In short, the Orion Empire are
4th Density Negative. They are "lost" in
the sense that they have drifted so far
from their true nature, that despite
many attempts, we have been unable to
reach them, and help them to develop.
They exist within their Group Soul
Complex, mostly as a group of discarnate
entities, within the Astral Planes of
the planets they visit. They have no
intention of 'returning Home', and
instead seek to feed off of Negative
Energy, to keep themselves going, as
they are disconnected from their
inherent natural Life-Force, by refusing
to abide by the Infinite Creator's Incarnational Principles.
The time we spend between lives in
time/space, is intended to restore our
Soul Energy from within, in order to
continue our upward progression. They
are essentially 'imprisoned' within the
4th Density Negative cycle, as there is
no Negative Harvest beyond the 4th
Density. So they spend their time
traveling the Galaxy, basically 'using
the dark side of the Force' (Negativity)
to achieve their means. They will
eventually be brought back before the
One Infinite Creator, and dissolved back
into the Intelligent infinity (Source of
All), though they are being given every
chance for as long as possible, to learn
the error of their ways, and return to
seeking the Positive, and to begin their
journey back Home. They main trouble is,
they do not want to go Home. They see
themselves as being 'gods', and do not
intend to submit to the authority of The
ATS: Why all the sudden ramping up of
HH: The Great Harvest is fast
approaching. Time to really bring on the
ATS: The Montauk Project....fact or
HH: The project is Fact. Though the
publicly available information is in someways corrupted.
ATS: Best ways to decipher between truth
and fiction other than what we perceive
to be truth specifically in concerning
the New Age agenda and the dogmatic
HH: Follow your Heart. Listen to, and
Trust, your Inner voice.
ATS: Please explain the wanderer’s roles
and what value it is to be wanderer if
you have no recollection of ones past
lives. Also how does this play with the
law of non-intervention (that’s if they
are here to help people ).
HH: The Wanderers, (or 'Travelers' as
they are also known) are those from
Higher Densities, who have chosen to
incarnate here at this time, in order to
perfect Service to Others. They still
have to 'remember who they are', and
part of the concern, is that sometimes,
even they do not manage to awaken in the
Game, such is the power of the Illusion.
They are here to awaken themselves, and
then to help awaken others to prepare
for the coming Great Harvest. Though
even if they fail to awaken, they are
not bound by the 3rd Density Cycle, as
they've already mastered it. Once their
incarnation is over, they are again free
to return to their appropriate levels.
ATS: Are there any non-corrupted parts
of the bible and if what bible version
would you suggest?
HH: No. As with all Sacred Texts, they
have been distorted from the original
information that was given with each
translation. Though again, as with all
Sacred Texts, there is still much truth
hidden within them. Much of it being
'metaphorical'. If you can find pre King
James versions, that is the closest you
will get. Good luck with that.
ATS: Was the Rothschild lineage the
organizer of the Illuminati in which
Weishhaupt later formed?
HH: No. Weishhaupt was just a puppet on
a string. The Rothschild lineage (not
it's original name) were the pre-eminent
line 'closing the net of control' over
Humanity. But even they, are a lesser
line within The Family. As I have said,
the names you know do not have the Real
Power. They are part of the Family, but
not an 'original' part.
ATS: My question is this:
what can I do
to attract more like-minded individuals
to come together to uplift my people's
turning to the path of ascension. (I've
decided that this is what I can do to
express my personal act of 'service to
HH: And a very wise and compassionate
decision it is. We are proud of you.
The most important thing, is not to
force things, and not to be so
impassioned in your delivery of your
message, that you put people off the
content of the message itself. There is
a balance that needs to be found,
between your urgency to awaken others,
and your compassion for the lack of
understanding in their 'condition'.
Always adhere to the Law of Free Will,
and never force your message.
In getting your message out there,
whilst being informative, always do your
best not to feed the fear and paranoia,
as this will act contrary to your
intentions of raising the vibration to
Positive. Deliver your message in a way
that emphasizes the Hope, and the true
beauty and reality of our inherent
Oneness with our Infinite Creator. Be as
a Light, shining in the Darkness. Do not
burn others with your light, but rather,
allow them to be drawn to your Light,
and be of Service to those who come to
you willingly. In other words, do not
become 'evangelical' with your message,
but rather, be the enigmatic and loving
'wise old sage', to whom others are
drawn to because of the Quality of his
vibration, rather than the volume of his
Most importantly, PRACTICE THAT WHICH
YOU PREACH. Others must be able to see
the effect of our Infinite Creator
conducting his wonderful work through
We wish you well in your task, and are
hopeful of a Positive Harvest for you.
But above all things, keep working upon
yourself, and keep choosing the
Positive, and being of Service to
others. Because you desire to, not
because you feel that you must.
We ask our Infinite Creator to bless you
and guide your path.
ATS: Earth Changes; While I understand
that death is not the end of my
existence, I like my body and would not
like to get caught out in any earth
changes if I can possibly help it.
1) If your family permits, please could
you reveal which places are more likely
to be relatively safe during the next
3-4 years? Would the South of China
(Canton/Hong Kong) or Patagonia be good
bets? Any other places?
HH: I am not permitted to say much here,
as there must be those who remain in
their locations, to help others who are
not aware of what is coming. Many of you
(whether you are aware or not) have
chosen this lifetime for that reason.
But if you are insistent upon escape,
chose the Highest places you can find.
Particularly in the Southern Hemisphere
if you are able. The Peruvian Andes is a
good place to be. There is much
Spiritual Power being exercised there,
and the Quero Elders are well aware of
what is going down.
ATS: 2) Are John Lear/Jan Lamprecht
correct in their assertion that the
majority of planets of the Solar System
HH: Most definitely. Not all on a 3rd
Density level that you can see though.
ATS: Is the Earth Hollow?
HH: Hold on, let me just check. Yes,
ATS: If so, how does one gain access?
HH: I am not permitted to say.
ATS: Could you elaborate further on the
mechanisms behind the fantastic positive
results seen by people who embark on the
service to others path? I invite you to
really deeply explain the intricacies of
the energy-play at work. While "You get
out what you put in" is true, I'd like
to see the whole concept dissected and
HH: If you re-read some of my recent
posts, I believe I have now done so.
ATS: I recently experienced healing of a
minor health problem by sending love to
all the sick people in the world. How
does this work, not why, how.?!?!
HH: Because there is only ONE of you
Understand that, at a deep Core level of
your Being, and you will understand how
it works. As you do unto others, so you
do to yourself.
ATS: You claim your family was put here
to be the negative influence of the
world. Is there a family it is asserting
a positive influence on us as well? Is
it up to us (humanity) to be that
HH: An interesting question.
such a family (or group more
accurately), but you cannot see them,
and neither are you aware of their
existence. They help the planet from a
secret "Inner" location, by the Quality
of the Energy work they engage in and
project outward to you, from the Source.
Yes, it is up to you to Be the Changes
you wish to see, in yourself, and in the
ATS: Your goal is a negative harvest,
yet you clearly are touting the benefits
of a positive life. This seems
antithetical to your goal. That is not
so much a question as an observation,
but if you could elaborate on that, I
would appreciate it.
HH: Mmmm, another very perceptive
question. Thank you.
Our goal, is a Negative Harvest for
Ourselves. Not for you. We provide the
Catalyst of Negativity for you, and it
is up to you what you do with it. The
drastic extent of the Negativity we
Create though, has more to do with us,
than it does with you. Some of my
earlier replies should make clear why
that is so.
Also, in response to your observation
regarding the antithetical nature of
some of what I have shared here, there
is a simple explanation.
Let's put it this way, I have already
been, shall we say "chastised" for going
well beyond my remit here. It was not
intended that I be as open as I have
been. In fact, if you follow the topic
through again from the beginning, you
may notice how my 'tone' toward you
(collectively) has softened somewhat
during our discourse together.
I have, as far as possible, adhered
fully to the Laws of Free Will and
Confusion, although there have been
instances where I have said more than I
should have. You yourselves will not
suffer for this, however, when it comes
to my next cycle in 4th Density
Negative, and working off my Karmic
Record, I will have to accept the
consequences for my actions. But hey, I
figure I've got a Negative enough life
to come as it is, so what's a little
extra going to matter.
I was reluctant to be the one tasked
with this communication. I still very
much have a 'weakness' for Compassion.
But I obey and discharge the assignments
given to me. It has been a very long
time, since I last spent any time in
having direct dealings with 'your kind'
in general. I do not mean that in an
offensive way, just that the vast
majority of my time, I only ever see
Family during my daily and nightly
tasks. I do not live what you would call
a 'public' life. I am 'sheltered' and
I did not anticipate how involved I
would become in this process. To be
honest, I really did not expect so many
questions, and such a warm and open
minded reception (from the majority).
You could say, that I have in some way,
grown somewhat 'attached' to you. In
effect, this "Window of Opportunity, has
also become such for me too. What began
as me just doing my duty, has become
more a 'labour of love', and when this
is all over by the end of this evening,
I think I will actually kind of miss you
all, and having this involvement with
those of the 'outside' world.
I was chosen because it was desired that
someone of my "diplomacy" skills would
be best to deliver this message. Due to
the very nature of the subject matter,
there was much potential for discord. It
was felt important that the message did
not become lost in a self righteous or
defensive delivery system. So, you got
me. And I'm actually glad now in
retrospect that you did.
I sit here and chuckle to myself, (in
light of the way some people here have
spoken to me), how this discourse may
have descended into something ugly, were
certain others amongst my Family who
were also considered for this assignment
to have actually been given the job. Now
I know why I was chosen. As with all
things, it was meant to be this way. I
couldn't care less what others think of
me, so long as I know I am Serving my
Creator as he desires, to the best of my
ability. His is the only approval I
require, or desire. I have nothing to
defend, so I guess that's why I was
'perfect' for this task.
Anyway, enough with the sentiment, I
have more questions to answer.
ATS: A common saying among Christians is
"Satan's greatest trick is convincing
the world that he didn't exist." I think
there are Christians that would look at
what you've written and see it as an
elaborate ruse to "make the devil look
HH: "Satan" is a human invention. Simply
the 'personification' you have given to
all the Negativity that has existed on
this beautiful planet. You didn't know
who to 'blame', and as you could not
find it within yourselves to take any of
the responsibility, "Satan" was created
to absolve yourselves.
ATS: Many of my friends and family are
Christians, and they would likely think
the same. How would one even go about
presenting this information to a person
of that mindset? I am not here to
"spread your gospel", but I would
definitely like so share this with a few
of my friends.
HH: How can you present anything to ones
who have no desire to have their belief
They will believe what they want to
believe, and noting you or I can say is
likely to make any difference. It
becomes ingrained at a subconscious
level, and when a belief structure
becomes that insidious, the only way it
is likely to change, is through a
'mystical experience' or such a personal
demonstration of 'another way' in the
life lived of 'another', that one cannot
fail but to notice that there is
'something different' about them. How
can you reach such as these? Only by
ATS: That being said, is it okay if I
condense your writings into one long
post on my blog? I need to make sure
that doesn't violate my user agreement
here. I would also like to make sure
that I won't get a visit from the men in
black if I do so.
HH: That is amusing, thank you for the
chuckle. Yes, you are most welcome to
collate this discourse for presentation
elsewhere. The only thing I ask, is that
anyone chosing to do so, respects my
wishes and copies only the message
itself. In other words, do not include
all the petty side discussion. If you
want to present this message to others,
please honour my (our) original
intention, that the message is presented
as a 'whole'. When I said in my opening
post, that I required 'provisional
faith' or 'suspended judgment', I made
it very clear why this was the case.
I couldn't care less that people do not
believe it. I never expected that many
would. But what I desired, in asking for
the above, was that the message was
allowed to be presented in full, with
all genuine questions replied to, and
then once that process is complete, you
can say whatever you like about how much
of a hoax you may or may not believe it
to be. If I may be crass for a brief
moment, I couldn't give a "flying #" how
much vitriol and scorn is poured upon
our message, or how many futile verbal
attacks may be launched against it's
messenger. The message will reach all
those it is meant to reach, and that is
exactly the way it should be. It is what
the Creator wants. Those with ears to
hear, eyes to see, and a heart to
understand, will hear the message, and
the seeds planted will grow strong in
such fertile soil as these.
So please therefore, if you respect that
which I have shared here, and the
courteous manner in which I have shared
it, if you want to copy it, copy only my
posts. My posts all quote within them
the questions I respond to, so there are
no other posts required, if a genuine
representation of the message is that
which you desire to take away with you.
ATS: Thank you for posting some of the
most interesting information I have ever
read. I am a bit of a crackpot and I
scour the internet for conspiracies,
alternative news, UFO videos and the
like. I can't say I'm ready to
completely buy what you're selling, but
it has definitely resonated with me.
HH: You are welcome, and I in turn thank
you, for reading it with an open mind.
I would never ask or expect you to 'buy'
what I'm 'selling' If you notice, I have
stated throughout our message, that the
very last thing I want, is for it to be
blindly believed, or taken as 'gospel'.
As I've said. It is yet another in a
long line of "Catalysts", that your
Infinite Creator has provided you with,
down the course of history. A Catalyst
is not meant to be believed. It is meant
to present you with a challenge to that
which you "think" you know, about
reality. And that is all it is meant to
As always, how you respond to the
Catalyst, is entirely up to you. Just
the way it always should be.
Thank you very much for your very
incisive and perceptive questions.
Whether you realize it or not, you have
contributed greatly to this discourse.
We wish you well, and ask our Infinite
Creator to bless you, and guide your
ATS: H_H put out some incredibly well
written information - almost like it
flowed from 'his/her' being onto the
HH: And that, is possibly the most
perceptive realization in this discourse
It also allows me to respond further to
an earlier question, that I indicated I
would go into in more depth later, when
replying to your observation.
This message does indeed "flow from my
Being", onto the page.
I mentioned before, that my role in my
Family, is that of the Spiritual
A certain poster made all manner of
assumptions as to what that role
entails, and flailed wildly wide of the
mark in the process.
As I said previously, all of the "Power
Lines" (off world bloodlines) that
comprise the "Inner Sanctum" (or "Hidden
Hands") of the Family, have certain
abilities that 3rd Density incarnates do
not posses (even the others of our
Family, the lines you know), one of
these being the ability to know their
entire incarnational 'past', with
There are a wide array of tasks to be
attended to, that allows our Family to
function effectively, and we each
specialize in certain areas or
Disciplines, in order that the "body" of
our Family runs like a well oiled
My area, and that which I spend the vast
majority of my time actively involved
in, is that of Spirituality. OUR
Spirituality, not that of the peoples of
the Earth. Others below me deal more in
I could be likened to that of a 'Priest'
or a 'Minister'. In the same way as your
religions and spiritual teachers have
the responsibility of "listening" to the
voice of their Creator, and delivering
his messages, so to do I.
I have been actively engaged in this
role now, for a great many years. It has
become second nature to me. Actually,
more accurately, it has become First
nature. A large part of my role, is to
constantly be in the awareness state of
our Group Soul (Lucifer). That is why
you will notice that I so often refer to
"we" even as I am speaking in the first
person. That has just become natural for
me. I spend most of my time speaking
with my Family, as Lucifer, the Group
Soul perspective. When I speak
henceforth, it is not me (the individual
Soul spark) that is speaking to you in
essence, but rather, for want of a
better description, (because it is far
from accurate), you could say that in
effect, I am "Channeling" Lucifer. That
is why this discourse flows so easily.
As some have noted, the chances of me
having spent however much vast
quantities of time "researching" all
this material to "hoax" with, and
present it in the fluent method that I
do, as in regular daily installments,
whilst I guess could be remotely
possible, is unlikely in the extreme.
For those who are open enough to receive
the above explanation, now you know why,
and how it is done. I speak not for
myself, but rather, for him who sent me,
my own Creator (Lucifer). I know and
have experienced that which he knows and
has experienced, because essentially, we
are One and the same Being.
ATS: I have never been involved in any
organized religions per say, but have
always been spiritual. I do look at the
many religious texts out there because I
believe they all have parts to the
story. One can find great knowledge from
many different books or religious texts.
I believe that we as humans are creators
like the ONE creator and we are all one.
I also believe we wil be moving into a
higher level of consciousness where we
can consciously co-create in our world,
since we are only unconsciously
co-creating at the moment.
HH: Your insight serves you well.
ATS: There is so much more I would like
to speak with you about but am not able
to think of what exactly I want to say.
Thanks for those great words that you
speak to us and appreciate what you are
doing! With Love
HH: Do not worry friend, we feel your
heart, and that does not need to be
expressed via the confines of limited
words. We can speak all you like, and
will be happy to do so, when the Game is
ATS: Also do you know of
I just watched here interview on the
project camelot site and it was very
inspiring to me. So let me ask, are you
one of the tall blondes that she speaks
HH: She is a beautiful Soul. I have not
seen the interview of which you speak,
but we know of her experiences. The
'tall blondes' of which you speak, are
of Plejaren heritage. They are working
with what is know as the Galactic
Confederation of Planets. They serve the
Positive vibration. Plejarens are from
the constellation you call the Pleiades.
It's actual name is the Plejares, hence
And no, we are Lucifer, and nothing
directly to do with the Plejarens,
though they are indeed good friends of
ATS: I have never seen a UFO or any of
this spiritual stuff myself. I just know
in my heart that it's there for me to
find. What can I do if anything to get
myself in the correct frequency to see
these things and have these experiences.
Any and all information you provide will
be greatly appreciated.
HH: Simply believe, and know in your
heart of their existence. Think about
it. In all of this vast Creation, can
you really believe that you are alone?
I will pre-warn you though, so as to
avoid disappointment, you will only
receive communication from them, if that
is something you have already agreed
together in your Soul Contract before
coming here. Many here at this time
(millions) have a part to play in the
Great Awakening, and preparations for
the Great Harvest. Many who do not
believe now, will begin to open their
minds, as the Earth changes that are
coming begin to take effect. People will
be terrified, and have no idea what is
going on, because the governments have
concealed this information from you.
These 'Travelers' or what some have
termed "Star-Seeds" are incarnated here
to help on the ground level, when this
all begins play out, over the next few
years. When the time is right, they will
Most people are not ready to hear this
information yet, but not so far off,
they will be.
Many of these "Star Seeds" have not
"awakened" yet themselves. The
Confederation stands by ready to "help"
them to do so, if it is necessary. For
ones such as these who have yet to
"awaken", they will have felt all their
lives that they are somehow "different",
and they have a deep sense that somehow,
they "do not belong here". Many of them
will also have many dreams and even
visions, of their lives on their Home
planets. Many of these "Star Seeds", are
in fact Plejaren. That is why the 'tall
blondes' keep 'showing up'. To help
their Family awaken to their assignments
ATS: I am another of the many grateful
forum members who appreciate the loving
message given by Hidden_Hand. I wish I
had discovered this thread before today.
It's given me much comfort. I was
running out of strength but now feel as
though I might just be able to manage
now. My gratitude is eternal. From this
little spark to that one: Thanks for the
HH: You are very welcome, we are glad to
have been of Service. You actually
'feel' very familiar to me. If for the
reasons I am feeling this to be the
case, consider this message to you our
part in our Soul Agreement fulfilled.
Take the guidance in this message into
your meditations, and also seek
information from your Dreamtime. Test
these words deeply, and take them into
your heart, only if they 'feel' right,
and truthful to you. If they do, then
act upon them, and allow nothing or
no-one to deter you. Arise and play the
part that you volunteered to be here for
right now. It is almost time. Prepare
yourself, and be sure that you are
We leave you with our strongest
encouragement, and the love and Light of
our One Infinite Creator.
ATS: He could be what he says he is i
think. But he could be a well read but
bored person wanting to see how far his
hoax will spread on the internet.
The thing i do find is that if he is the
latter it doesn't fit the profile. I
mean if you read up on the stuff he
obviously is interested in it is harder
to wantingly hoax with it. It goes
against the things he loves to read
about. And i find it VERY hard to
believe that he is researching this on
the fly and putting all this work in
something he will never get anymore
'fame' than this week of attention, no
money or 'real life' recognition or
HH: I was not going to respond to any
more messages other than those who
genuinely want to hear what we have to
say, due to my fast expiring time here,
though your point was poignant enough to
briefly address, even if only that the
accuracy of your statement deserves to
have a place in the final collated
version of this message. A LOT of work
and pointless time wasted, were it not
for the fact that this 'labour of love'
is all done for the glory of our
Creator. The lies and rumours about us
being an 'evil' and 'satanic' Being have
gone unanswered for far too long. It was
time to set the record straight. Lucifer
has sacrificed so much, because we love
ATS: As spirituality is your focus,
could you comment on the role of the
Catholic church in terms of your role
and how the church fits in either the
positive, negative, or miscellaneous
HH: The lower parts of our Family (the
names you know) use the Vatican for many
Rituals and Sacrifices. That should tell
you all you need to know.
ATS: Any specific holy books (or perhaps
Bible authors) you'd list as coming very
close to the Truth?
HH: The closet biblical authors, are
those who have been 'left out' of the
The closest "spiritual" writings (other
than the Ra material) to containing
truth about the nature of The One, are
the Taoist writings, that of the 'Tao Te Ching', and the 'Book of Chuang Tzu'.
ATS: Greetings, Hidden Hand. I consider
this a unique opportunity. I have not
read this full thread but I have some
detailed questions, so I apologize if
something has already been answered. I
want to make sure I get my questions out
before your time expires.
HH: Almost all of your questions have
been addressed, and those few which have
not, I am sorry that I either am not
permitted to speak on, or that due to
the tiny amount of time I have left now,
I cannot address. My apologies.
ATS: H-H, i hope you will answer my
You may be aware of me, as i also cannot
reveal all that i know.
My question is of a different nature,
which i cannot get answers to, My
bloodline is of the elite, as to say.
austrian count, english earl, scottish
baron, It seems at some point in the
last 100 years,one part of the family
lost everything, taken from the
government. There is alot i wish to say,
but do not wish to tell for all to see.
Are you aware of this happening? What
really happened? The english side will
not say, generations of family lived
there, then taken by the
government.....something happened. All
in my family including myself have
extensive abilities,myself seeming to
have the most. I am also aware of all
you have spoke of on here.
I would, if you have permission to do
so, and i know this would be allowed due
to this lineage, like to talk to you on
a personal level.
Ask who you have to ask, you will see i
am truthful and genuine.
Please do not see me as arrogant, but
that is the only question i do not know.
HH: Obviously you understand, that these
line you speak of are only the earthly
lines, and we (off world Power lines) do
not often intervene in such 'inter
family') circumstances. All I am
permitted to say, is that there was a
dispute between the Hapsburg and
Franco-Prussian lines. Things were said
and done that should not have been.
Consequences arose, and action was
As for communication on a 'person'
level, I am sorry this is not possible.
I hope that within the limits of that
which I can say, you have the insight to
connect the dots.
We wish you well in your tasks here, and
will likely see you in the near future
(if you are going to 'Malta in
wintertime'?) No need to reply, as I
will have taken my leave by then.
We shall deal with these next two posts
ATS 1: He is reptilian. That's the race
of the bloodlines. They control just
about everything behind the scenes
And remember there's no such thing as a
bad race, just select individuals or
groups who stand out more than others.
ATS 2: Ok so i have another question for
hidden_hand. Reptilians are described as
being very aggressive, arrogant and
perceive humans to be nothing more than
cattle. So what's with the split
personalities? you're saying you are
loving and spiritual and yet everyone
says reptilians are fearsome beings?
HH: That amuses us.
We are most
certainly NOT Reptilian, and there is
nothing remotely reptilian about the
True Power Bloodlines. The only
'Reptilian' influences that are in
anyway remotely involved with this
planet at this time, are those of the
Zeta Reticuli and Alpha Draconis
systems. They are of no particular
threat to you.
For those to whom it may be of some
interest, we are of Venusian heritage,
originally. What is another name that
Venus is called by? Connect the dots.
Well, that is all the questions I
promised to answer out of the way, and
my time here is now pretty much expired.
I have another few minutes before I must
finish preparing for my long journey.
There was two later posts, that I will
just barely have time to offer a passing
ATS: I clearly know and are aware about
this game…. But I have a question to
Do your 3-d families have fractions. Do
they not know this, all of them.
Because they have try to kill me, and it
will not work. of course.
HH: All I can say on this, is that
the Earthly lines of our "extended"
Family, only know as much as we tell
them. Certain information they may not
use wisely, or with proper regard to our
Creator, and our One Infinite Creator.
As has been said before, "the top of the
pyramid, is not the top of the pyramid".
Above the highest Earthline auspices of
the Supreme World Council (and another
higher aspect that cannot be named), are
the "Hidden Hands" (not the real name of
course, but what we have sometimes been
ATS: Yes, however
the things/thoughts/ideas! he is
speaking of are already a piece of
copyrighted material and have been
published in book format with ISBN
numbers and all. The books are
called the Law of One.
This/these books deal with the very
same ideas as the OP:
1. Negative and positive
2. Degrees of density
3. Even the same exact term: social
4. harvest is used in the same
5. Evolution between densities
6. Logos and sub-logos are used in
the same context
7. The same concept of Wanderers
8. The concept of Infinity becoming
aware of itself
9. The same idea of vibrations in
the same context
10. The concept of 'us' progressing
to the fourth density with the next
harvest (2012) and how many of 'us'
will have to repeat the third
There are well over 50 examples of
the same ideas and contexts between
the original author (L/L Research)
and Hidden_Hand. L/L Research dates
back to the 1981 timeframe, thereby
leading me to believe that they are
the original author. Again please
note that the definition of
plagiarism is the unauthorized use
or close imitation of the language
and thoughts of another author and
the representation of them as one's
own original work. Therefore, if
Hidden_Hands is not with L/L
Research he is clearly plagiarising
their ideas and thoughts.
Sources [for numbered examples]:
ATS: Even Lucifer
had to step in to help me. That was
a surprise as you can understand.
Does your left hand dont know what
the right hand teach. Or is it lack
of understanding in certain members
in your bloodline.
HH: Indeed, I
understand, occasionally drastic
intervention is required. As I said,
they do not know everything,
somethings are best kept to
ourselves. Temptation can prove too
great, when certain Powers lay in
the hands of those who's Heart is
not utterly Pure of intention. Let
us just say, that some seem to enjoy
the game a little TOO much, from
time to time.
Their actions were more from
ignorance, than malicious intent
toward you. Please forgive them, as
they knew not what they were doing,
but thought it the right thing.
Ok, I've just finished reading the
last few pages of questions, I
stated now on a few occasions that I
have no time left to answer, but I
was asked earlier a question that I
said I'd finish with, namely that of
"if there was a question you had not
yet been asked yet, would you
consider this it being asked", or
words to that effect.
So there is one other question from
the last pages that I will use in
This will really have to be it
though. I am truly sorry I cannot
reply to the many other heartfelt
responses that sadly must remain
unanswered. We must be leaving for
an important task in Rome, and
already I have others here with me
imploring me "will you please just
shut down that flipping computer and
get your things together". They are
laughing at how 'involved' I have
become in this task of mine. My
Father is teasing that I should
begin at early 6th Density again to
balance my compassion. Anyway, I
ATS: This has
been very informative, and has
cleared up much for me. Thanks once
again, Hidden_Hand. My take on this
is much different even from what it
was the last time I posted in this
thread. So, hopefully these
questions will be a little more
1) I am curious as to how the
bloodline family structure works.
You said there are people who are
part of your "extended family" that
we may know of. So are these the
Rockefeller, Rothschild, Bush, House
of Windsor, etc. (typically known in
conspiracy circles as the New World
Order?). How close is your
interaction with your "extended
family" and are they as spiritually
enlightened as you seem to be? Can
you just kind of give us an outline
of how the family is structured, how
much each level knows in relation to
the top, etc.? Because there are a
lot of theories and "know-it-alls"
out there, and it would be nice to
get it straight once and for all. Be
as detailed as you feel is
HH: Ok, and this
will have to be a really brief
overview, as my time is up.
Starting at the bottom level, you
have what we call "Local Cell
Groups" or "Family Clusters". There
will be anything from say five to
thirty or so of these, depending
upon the size of the town or city in
question. Each Local area has it's
own Council, comprised of Local
Leaders representing the Six
Disciplines of learning. There is
also either a High Priest or High
Priestess of The Order, who Serves
their local community.
Above this, you have the
Council, with the Leader of each
Local Council representing their
specific areas. Then the National
Council, in the same vein, with the
Leaders of the Regional Councils
sitting to represent their Regions.
Then you have the Supreme World
Council above them all, with the
National Leaders representing their
Countries. Above this, is another
group I cannot mention, who liaise
with the "Hidden Hands".
Then above this, there are many
other levels of Leadership, purely
from the Power Lines (the ones that
are not of this planet). The Supreme
World Council, only know as much as
is "Handed" down to them from us.
In our Power
Lines, we have a similar structure,
with Local and Regional groups etc,
though most of us are living in
entirely 'different' types of
communities than you would
understand. All I shall say is that
we are not "surface dwellers".
ATS: ...also, do people ever try
to leave the family? I asked you to
comment on the case of one "Svali"
in an earlier post. I am still
curious if she was one of you or
your extended family, or is she just
a mis/disinfo agent.
HH: I am aware of her, yes. I've
not looked at her supposed
"revelations" personally, though
heard enough from others in my
Family. Yes, she was a part of the
Family, at the lower levels, from
the German Lines I believe. As I
understand, she did reveal a lot of
truth about the lower levels, but
she was only Regional Level in the
Earth Lines, so not that high. She
certainly would not have had
anything like the "bigger picture".
I understand that she went into
detail about some of the training
techniques in the lower levels,
which to be fair, can be extremely
harsh, though as I've said, it's all
about reaching the 95% Negativity,
and when all is said and done, no
matter how much one may have
suffered in this life-experience, we
can never lose sight of the fact
that this is a Game we are all
playing here together, and each
incarnating Soul has already chosen
and agreed in advance the parts they
will play in the Game. No one really
suffers, except in the Game, and
ultimately, they have chosen these
experiences before hand, at a Soul
level. No one is 'forced' to
incarnate into a storyline they do
not want to play and learn from.
The German House is renowned for
being particularly harsh and severe
in it's training, so much of what
she shares may have happened, though
my Family have also said that unless
her "trainers" were acting "out of
protocol" (abusing their power) much
of what she 'revealed' would not
have happened, or has been
embellished to some degree, for
whatever reason. I cannot comment
myself, as I've had neither the time
or inclination to examine her story.
The world of my own Family is very
different from that of the lower
Earth based bloodlines. Whilst our
(my own) training growing up was
very strict and disciplined, we were
never abused in any way. We grew up
with the bigger picture, and didn't
need any other motivation.
The Earth lines are not aware of the
entire picture. They themselves are
not of our Lucifer Group Soul, and
as far as they are aware, they are
out to 'rule the world', to Control
and Enslave, and create as much
Suffering and Negativity as is
humanly possible. That's what they
'get out of the deal'. World
Domination. You'd have to say with
that in mind, they're doing a great
job. But one of the things they
don't know or understand, is that
our (Venusian Power Lines) agenda,
is ultimately for the Highest Good
of all concerned, in providing you
with the Catalyst. If they were
aware of this Truth, there is a
slight risk that they would not have
done their jobs properly, and they
would miss out on joining us in our
95% Negative Harvest. They are aware
of the Harvest, and the need for
them to attain the 95%, to get out
of 3rd Density, and that is all the
motivation they need to help us
achieve our ultimate aims.
How they go about it, is not really
of too great a concern to us, as
long as they are getting the job
done. Sometimes we have to step in,
where something they may do or plan
goes against our desires, but such
instances are few and far between.
And with that, I absolutely
have to finish my time here with
you. If I leave it any longer, I am
going to be late for my journey, and
I will not be very popular if I make
my Family late. It is a strange
feeling I have now in my heart, as I
write these last few lines. I never
could have imagined I would have
'connected' with you all in this way
through this discourse. It was never
the original intention, just to put
out the information required of me.
But somewhere along this journey we
have taken together, I have come to
feel a certain 'bond' with you. Of
course, I know that bond is our
inherent Unity in our One Infinite
Creator, though, to have kind of
'met' and connected personally with
so many of you, has left me feeling
somewhat saddened that our time has
to come to end. But come to an end
I thank you sincerely for your
gracious hospitality, and for
allowing us to 'use' your 'space'
here, for the furthering of our
message. And remember, no matter the
ideologies that may separate us in
this Game, the message is all that
matters, and the message is, that in
the Love, and the Light of our
Infinite Creator, we are All One.
Brother's and Sisters of the Light.
We wish you all the very best in
what remains of your journeys here,
and sincerely hope for you that you
will use the Catalyst we have
offered you, to in some way help you
to Graduate with a glorious and
Positive Great Harvest.
Me on the other hand, I'm going to
have to go and do some REALLY
Negative things now to make up for
all this Positivity. Kind of
amusing, in an ironic way.
I look forward to meeting up with so
many of you when the Game is over,
and enjoying reminiscing about this
time, and the parts we have all
played in this Great Game.
We leave you all in the Love, and
the Light of our One Infinite
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